Number of Turkish Prisoners Held by World Reporter & CNN

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conflicting reports regarding the number of Turkish prisoners captured, as reported by different news outlets. Participants explore the implications of these reports, the treatment of hostages, and the broader context of terrorism and military actions in the region.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note a discrepancy between the number of Turkish hostages reported by the World Reporter (3) and CNN (4).
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the motivations and identities of the terrorists, questioning the assumptions made about them.
  • Another participant asserts that the terrorists have claimed responsibility for beheadings, suggesting this should be accepted as truth.
  • Concerns are raised about the classification of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, with references to estimates that a significant percentage were innocent civilians.
  • There is a debate over whether the individuals captured should be considered prisoners of war or terrorists, with differing views on the implications of these classifications.
  • One participant challenges the notion that all released hostages are terrorists, emphasizing a distinction between captors and captives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the captives and the terrorists, with no consensus on the definitions or implications of these terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of the individuals involved and the moral implications of their actions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference estimates regarding the innocence of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, but these figures are not universally accepted and are subject to debate. The discussion also highlights the complexity of defining terrorism and the conditions under which individuals are captured.

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The world reporter says that 3 Turkish citizens were captured, but CNN reports 4.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/10/turkish.hostages/


So basically by the looks of things, if you're not a terrorist, these guys will try to kill you in an inhumane manner.

And why the hell do they keep on sending out tapes? The first 2 times they took hostages, their demands were not met.

How do they even send in so many damn tapes anonymously? You'd think that sooner or later the US would catch them.

According to CNN:

The statement said the hostages will be treated humanely "in appreciation" of Turkish protests against U.S. troop prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib and the activities of Israel, which is referred to by the speaker as the "Zionist entity."

Earlier this week, two other Turkish hostages and their Iraqi Turkoman driver -- also Serka employees -- were freed after they had been kidnapped Sunday night, the company said.

Did the Korean or American hostages support the abuse at Abu Ghraib?

Were the prisoners at Abu Ghraib innocent and defenseless civilians? :mad:
 
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First consider the assumption that these terrorists are actually who you think they are.
 
Terrorists claimed the beheadings, what more does it take to accept the truth Adam?
 
Dagenais said:
Were the prisoners at Abu Ghraib innocent and defenseless civilians? :mad:

According to the US Army, between 70% and 90% were innocent civilians.

Njorl
 
Weren't they prisoners of war?

between 70 and 90 percent? Isn't that kind of a large estimate?

But we'll say 80%. Okay, 100% of those beheaded were innocent civilians. All of them, every single one, everyone of those that were beheaded were defenseless.

Feel better?
 
Dagenais said:
Weren't they prisoners of war?

between 70 and 90 percent? Isn't that kind of a large estimate?

But we'll say 80%. Okay, 100% of those beheaded were innocent civilians. All of them, every single one, everyone of those that were beheaded were defenseless.

Feel better?
No, I don't.
I don't believe either justifies the other.

I also find it absurd that you call the Turks who were released terrorists.

Njorl
 
I didn't call the Turks who were released terrorists. I called their captors terrorists.
 
Dagenais said:
So basically by the looks of things, if you're not a terrorist, these guys will try to kill you in an inhumane manner.

thats what u said. Which means everybody that was released is a terrorist, but ofcourse that's not what you meant :-p
 

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