Paul Martin: Minority Government Will Work

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The discussion revolves around the implications and dynamics of a minority government in Canada, particularly focusing on the roles of the Liberal Party and the NDP following an election. Participants explore the potential for governance, seat counts, and the impact of other parties like the Bloc Quebecois and the Conservatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express optimism about Paul Martin's belief that a minority government can work effectively, citing his confidence in having a mandate to act.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether the Liberals and NDP have enough combined seats to govern effectively, with differing reports on the number of seats held by the NDP.
  • Some participants express surprise at the Bloc Quebecois's performance in the election, while others are pleased with the reduced support for the Conservative Party led by Harper.
  • Concerns are raised about Harper's policies, particularly regarding military spending and social issues, with some participants suggesting these may have influenced voter sentiment.
  • A participant corrects an earlier claim about the NDP's seat count, indicating that the number is lower than previously stated, which raises questions about the ability of the Liberals to pass legislation without broader support.
  • There is a humorous reference to early election results showing unexpected leads by smaller parties, highlighting the unpredictability of the election outcomes.
  • Some participants note that the Liberals and NDP may struggle to guarantee votes on contentious issues, drawing a parallel to the political dynamics in the US Senate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the effectiveness and stability of a minority government, with no clear consensus on the implications of the seat counts or the potential for legislative success.

Contextual Notes

There are discrepancies in reported seat counts for the NDP, and participants express varying interpretations of the implications of these counts for governance. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the political landscape and the potential challenges ahead.

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Paul Martin believes a minority Government will work. This is going to be interesting since Layton promised that he will make sure the NDP beliefs will be included.

It'll be very interesting until the next election:

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/29/canada/martin_040629

"I think what we have got is a stable minority government," he said. "Minority governments can work and I do believe minority governments can have mandates and I do believe we have a mandate to act on the program we set out."
 
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Do the Libs and the NDP now have enough seats to govern? Earlier today it looked like they were still a few seats shy.
 
What do you mean? Canada's next Government is the Liberal Minority.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/28/elxn_call040628
 
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I'm surprised with the Bloc's showing this time around. But I am glad Harper and the Conservatives got way less that they hoped for.
 
The Liberals have 135 seats in the house, and the NDP have 22. So as long as the NDP lend their support, they should be able to pass what bills they want.

Agreed, I'm thrilled that Harper didn't get in, but I'm surprised they got as few votes as they did.
 
Agreed, I'm thrilled that Harper didn't get in, but I'm surprised they got as few votes as they did.

Harper scared quite a few people, with his whole theory of dumping large sums of money into the military. It also seemed that he wanted to run Canada, almost the same way Bush is running America. At least, during the debate.

From the Conservative Party of Canada and the National Post website:

While the Liberals are wrapping themselves in the flag and engaging in shrill fear-mongering -- falsely accusing the Conservatives of secret plots to end abortion, buy aircraft carriers, end bilingualism and who knows what else

http://www.conservative.ca/english/index.asp

That's funny. That "end" bilingualism part was bound to piss off Quebec. The Bloc Quebecois site doesn't even have an English version.
 
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The Liberals have 135 seats in the house, and the NDP have 22. So as long as the NDP lend their support, they should be able to pass what bills they want.

Actually the NPD have 19 seats so that's not enough for the Liberal's to do what they want if they formed a coalition. Anyway, though I am a Liberal supporter, I’m rather pleased that it’s a minority government.

As for the Bloc’s showing I think it’s tied for the most seats it’s ever had. I didn’t really expect that either. (sigh)
Did anyone catch the CBC coverage rather early on when the Marxist-Leninist party was leading in a riding in Toronto (I think) for a short while? Mansbridge trying to reassure the viewers that only 1% of the results have been counted. Hilarious!
 
True, my bad, I saw the final counts a little while ago.

I know my riding started off to an early communist lead, didnt last long though. Hehe.
 
So then the Liberals and NDP can't guarantee a vote on contentious issues and they'll have to deal. Sounds like the US Senate.
 

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