Find Initial Velocity with Potential Energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the initial velocity of a projectile using potential energy (PE) in the context of 2D projectile motion. Participants explore the necessary information and equations needed to solve the problem, including considerations of gravitational and spring potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks an equation to determine initial velocity from potential energy in a projectile motion scenario.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for additional information, specifically the initial angle of projection, to solve the problem accurately.
  • A participant provides a formula for initial velocity that incorporates gravitational potential energy and the angle of projection.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between initial velocity and maximum height, with some participants questioning how to determine one from the other.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the type of potential energy being discussed, with one participant indicating that the problem involves a spring mechanism, which alters the approach needed to solve it.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the problem statement and the importance of providing all relevant details to avoid confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the necessary information and equations for solving the problem. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing questions about the specifics of potential energy and its application.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of potential energy in different contexts (gravitational vs. spring) and the implications this has on the calculations. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the reference point for potential energy measurements.

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This maybe an easy question for you, but for me I am having trouble. I am working on 2D projectile motion and i need an equation to work out the inital velocity when i have the PE.
 
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you have the PE what other info do you have?
jamie
 
This question isn't really answerable with the limited information you've given, as jamie mentioned. You'll need the initial angle the object was fired at, since I worked out the problem using [tex]W = \Delta E[/tex] (work energy theorem) and came up with

[tex]v_i = {\sqrt{\frac{2gh}{Sin^2\theta}}[/tex]

where theta is the initial angle the object is fired at, and h is the max height of the trajectory.
 
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yea sorry i should have said, i have the projectiles weight, PE, initial angle. the equation you gave looks good, but surely i can only work out the maximum height after knowing the initial velocity?
By the way I am over here in England :biggrin: I am not sure what levels of education are the same in england and america, but ill be going to university in 1 year and I am 17 :surprise:
 
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Im in england too what uni are you at and where do you come from

jamie
 
PE at what point in time?

i.e. MAX PE, 0 PE, etc...
 
yea sorry i should have said, i have the projectiles weight, PE, initial angle. the equation you gave looks good, but surely i can only work out the maximum height after knowing the initial velocity?

I'm sorry, I should have been more thourough in my explanation. The max height is contained within the PE. Just divide it by the mass of the object. And as NSX alluded to, you should be more specific about where relative to zero potential, your final PE is (I just assumed you were talking about the PE at the highest part of the path).
 
sorry i should explain, its using a mangonel with a spring, i used the spring constant to work out the potential energy. So as you can see i was confused with the maximum trajectory height but that's my fault for not explaining. and I am in Bath :P
 
Not mentioning the spring makes this a completely different problem. You had said PE, which I assumed to be simply gravitational PE. But you neglected to mention the spring's PE. This is actually a much easier problem than the one I solved for you before, since a straight application of [tex]W = \Delta E[/tex] is required without any trigonometry. And from now on, please post all details of the problem to help avoid this kind of confusion.
 
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