Time-varying current in a long straight wire

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The discussion revolves around the magnetic field generated by a time-varying current in a long straight wire, specifically when the current varies sinusoidally. Participants explore the implications of this variation on the magnetic field and the conditions under which certain approximations hold true.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the formula for the magnetic field due to a current-carrying wire and proposes that if the current varies sinusoidally, the magnetic field can be expressed as B(t) = (μ₀ I cos(ωt))/(2πr).
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of this application and seeks clarification.
  • A third participant introduces concepts from transmission lines, mentioning the telegraph equations and characteristic impedance, suggesting a broader context for understanding the behavior of the magnetic field in such systems.
  • Further discussion raises questions about the return current and the nature of the electric field lines associated with the voltage on the wire.
  • One participant provides a conditional affirmation to the original question, indicating that the approximation holds under specific conditions related to the wavelength of the current's variation and the dimensions of the wire.
  • This participant emphasizes that the formula is a good approximation for low-frequency currents but may not hold for high-frequency scenarios where the dimensions of the wire are not negligible compared to the wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the proposed formula for the magnetic field. While some suggest it is a valid approximation under certain conditions, others question its validity and seek further clarification, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the frequency of the current, the dimensions of the wire relative to the wavelength, and the specific conditions under which the magnetic field is being evaluated. The discussion does not resolve these limitations.

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I know the B field due to a current-carrying wire is

[tex] \frac{\mu_0 I}{2\pi r}[/tex]

But suppose the current in the wire is not constant, but varies in time. Maybe sinusoidally: [itex]I(t) = I\cos \omega t[/itex]. Do we have

[tex] B(t) = \frac{\mu_0 I\cos \omega t}{2\pi r}?[/tex]
 
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(Of course, I think the answer to the above question is YES, but I can't convince myself I'm correct.)
 
In coaxial cables and other transmission lines, the signal voltage drop per unit length is given by the inductance L per unit length, and the current by the shunt capacitance C per unit length. The net result is given by the so-called telegraph equations. See
http://www.ipm.virginia.edu/process/PVD/Pubs/thesis4/chapter3.pdf
The signal has a characteristic impedance Z = sqrt(L/C) and a velocity v= 1/sqrt(LC), which is typically 0.66 to 0.9 times the speed of light. In a coaxial cable, the B field is azimuthal (as you point out), and is confined to the space between the conductors, as is the radial electric field.
[added] Note that although both L and C are reactive impedances, their product and ratio are both real. So both Z = sqrt(L/C) and velocity = 1/sqrt(LC) are real.
Bob S.
 
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Thanks for your response, Bob. But is the answer to my question "Yes" or "No"?

I'm just talking about an ideal thin wire in a vacuum that carries a sinusoidal current.
 
AxiomOfChoice said:
Thanks for your response, Bob. But is the answer to my question "Yes" or "No"?

I'm just talking about an ideal thin wire in a vacuum that carries a sinusoidal current.
Where is your return current? The voltage on the wire has radial field lines. Where do they terminate?

B(t) = (u0I/2 pi r) cos(wt - kx)

The wave shape travels down the wire at about 20 to 30 cm per nanosecond.
 
The answer to the question of the OP is "yes, but". It is a good approximation as long as the sinusoidal variation is "slow". What does that mean ? Consider the period of the sinusoidal variation, and consider the wavelength of an EM wave that goes with it. Let us call it lambda.

As long as the diameter of the wire is WAY smaller than lambda, and the place where you want to consider the B-field is at a distance from the wire much smaller than lambda, your formula is still a good approximation.

People call this region also the "near field" (although "near field" might mean a larger part than what I just described).

For instance, if you have 50 Hz (or 60 Hz) current flowing through a wire of say, 1 km long, your formula works very well for all practical purposes.

If you have a 1 GHz current flowing through a cable of 2 meters long, and you're looking for the field at 20 cm, you're way off with that formula.
 

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