Can Planar Surfaces Form Knots in Four Dimensions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores whether conventional knots formed by linear strands in three dimensions have analogs that utilize closed planar surfaces to create "knots" in four-dimensional space, as well as in higher-dimensional manifolds. The scope includes theoretical implications and potential applications in fields like superstring theory and quantum field theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if closed planar surfaces can form knots in four-dimensional space, suggesting a connection to closed N-dimensional manifolds in (N+2) dimensional space.
  • Another participant mentions ribbon groups and their relevance to quantum field theory and branes, indicating a potential application of these concepts.
  • A later reply supports the previous point, affirming the connection to quantum groups.
  • One participant draws a parallel to the Moebius Strip, proposing that if the strip were an infinite plane, four-dimensional space would be necessary to avoid self-intersection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the topic, with some suggesting connections to existing mathematical concepts while others explore the implications of higher-dimensional spaces. No consensus is reached regarding the existence or nature of these knots.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of knots and dimensions, as well as the definitions of terms like "closed planar surfaces" and "knots" in higher dimensions, which remain unresolved.

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Do conventional knots of linear strands in three dimensions have an analog which utilizes closed planar surfaces to form "knots" within four dimensional space, or in general closed N-dimensional manifolds to form "knots" within (N+2) dimensional space?

Perhaps they could have applications to superstrings.
 
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yes, look for ribbon groups, and so on. they are of use in quantum field theory stuff and branes and so on, and often fall under the title of quantum groups.
 
Right on, Matt!
 
Isn't this like the Moebius Strip? If the strip isn't just a strip, but actually an infinite plane, then you have to have 4-D to keep it from intersecting itself.
 

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