Motion in the Universe: The Holographic Universe and the Absence of Empty Space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the holographic universe and the implications of the absence of empty space on motion within the universe. It explores theoretical perspectives from quantum mechanics and their impact on our understanding of motion, particularly in the context of both quantum and classical realms.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the book "THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE," suggesting that if empty space does not exist, it raises questions about the nature of motion in the universe.
  • One participant argues that movement can still occur even if everything shifts along with the observer, questioning the relativity of motion based on the point of observation.
  • Another participant notes that the concept of no empty space is derived from quantum mechanics, indicating that traditional ideas of motion may not apply at this level.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how motion from point A to point B differs from expectations in the quantum realm.
  • Questions arise about the existence of empty space in the macroscopic world, contrasting it with the quantum perspective that suggests no empty space exists at any scale.
  • One participant asserts that quantum mechanics posits a universe filled with virtual particles, referencing quantum electrodynamics (QED) as a successful theory that supports this view.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the existence of empty space and its implications for motion, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding motion across different scales and the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics. There are unresolved questions regarding the nature of space and motion that remain open for exploration.

Selnex
There is a book called THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE which suggests that empty space does not exist. If this were true could there be motion in the univeres?
 
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Originally posted by Sensei
Yes. As long as everything else in the universe shifted along with your movement no matter how subtle.
shifted compared to what?

if every thing shifts along with me then it is relatively same as nothing is shifting at all if i change the point of observation so that it shifts along with me.

my A to Salnex Q:
empty space could not exist and yet there can be movement cause not all types of matter are with same density. for example speeding bullet goes thru water just like that.
 
That there is no empty space is derived from quantum mechanics. In that realm, our everyday ideas about "motion through space" do not apply. How particle A moves from point A to point B, is not the same as you'd expect. Does anyone have a link explaining this?
 
what do you mean that moving from point a to point b is not as expected?
 
is it being suggested that in the quantum world there is no empty space? How do we know there is empty space in the larger than quantum world?
 
According to quantum mechanics, there is no empty space anywhere, at any scale. Space a teeming bath of virtual particles of all kinds. Quantum electrodynamics (QED), the quantum-mechanical description of the interaction of light and matter, is based upon the notion of these virtual particles. QED is also probably the most experimentally successful physical theory of all time -- it has succeeded in theoretically predicting the values of very esoteric characteristics of electrons (like their gyromagnetic ratio) to hundreds of (experimentally verified) decimal places.

- Warren
 

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