Any good problem book on General Topology

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding suitable problem books for general topology, particularly for those who find existing textbooks, such as Willard's, challenging due to abstract definitions and a lack of examples. Participants share their experiences and suggest various resources to aid in understanding the concepts of topology through exercises.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in following Willard's book due to abstract definitions and requests recommendations for problem books.
  • Another participant argues that many examples in topology textbooks are repetitive and often focus on familiar subsets of R^n.
  • A participant mentions the challenge of having exercises without solutions, suggesting that a solution manual would be beneficial.
  • Several books are recommended, including "Topology Problem Solver," "Schaum's Outline of General Topology," and "Fundamentals of General Topology: Problems and Exercises" by Arkhangel'skii and Ponomarev, which includes solutions.
  • One participant mentions that "Topology" by Janich provides intuition but lacks exercises.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of topology to physics, with some participants questioning its usefulness while others defend its importance in mathematical physics.
  • Another participant suggests that learning general topology is essential for understanding other areas of mathematics, particularly complex analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the usefulness of topology in physics, with some arguing it is unnecessary while others assert its importance. There is also no agreement on the best resources, as various books are suggested, reflecting differing preferences and experiences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the effectiveness of problem books may depend on the reader's background in real analysis and other mathematical concepts, which could influence their understanding of topology.

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I found it is hard for myself to follow the book on general topology by willard, since there are too many abstract definitions with too few examples to help me to establish these terms. I am wondering if there is any good problem book with sufficient problems that would help to make abstract concepts more concrete. Any suggestion will be appreciated.
 
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I don't know about other books, but with the majority of examples, you're really just finding ways to describe plain subsets R^n. Want a topological space? R^n. Want a compact space? A closed sphere, box, or any other shape with finite volume. Want a homeomorphism? Morph a sphere into a box. Connected spaces? R^n. Disconnected spaces? A disjoint box and sphere. Product spaces? The pairs of points on a disjoint sphere and box. Quotient spaces? A sphere where opposite points are considered equal.

For the most part, books like that one will take the same darned examples and use them over and over again. There are more exotic spaces with less intuitive properties (such as L^infinity), but even those examples tend to get reused in the book.
 
the thing is that some times it is hard to follow the book, since the problem provided as exercises have no answer, so it is hard to judge by myself whether I have the correct answer or not, so at least a solution manual for any book on general topology should be helpful, so is there any book together with solution manual available?
 
These two are reasonable for problems:

Topology Problem Solver (Problem Solvers) (Paperback) by REA

and of course,

Schaum's Outline of General Topology (Paperback)

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As far as textbooks, my favorite is the trilogy by John M Lee starting with:
Introduction to Topological Manifolds. It's beginning graduate level but is par excellence on motivational insight. A great undergraduate text for insight is:
Topology of Surfaces (Undergraduate Texts in Mathematics) by L.Christine Kinsey
and there are many Dover entries. For example:
Topology: An Introduction to the Point-Set and Algebraic Areas by Donald W. Kahn
is very approachable (more so than Willard).

Finally the two MIT classics are the undergrad texts by Munkres and Singer & Thorpe.

All of the above assumes a background in real analysis "There's a delta for every epsilon" right? If that's new to you, Real Analysis by Frank Morgan is a great introduction. Don't try to push brute force through point set topology without knowledge of real analysis.
 
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Thanks, well, I have finished both real analysis and complex analysis, so the basic ideas like compactness or connectness or continuity are clear to me. The problem books you mentioned are also the only book i found by myself.
 
I like Topology by Janich. It gets the intuition across, but it doesn't have any exercises.
 
huyichen said:
I found it is hard for myself to follow the book on general topology by willard, since there are too many abstract definitions with too few examples to help me to establish these terms. I am wondering if there is any good problem book with sufficient problems that would help to make abstract concepts more concrete. Any suggestion will be appreciated.

why do you want to study topology? I think the general conceptions is useless in physics.if you don't use it ,you can't master it.it is just waste of time for physicists to study it. you 'd better abandon it.
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bobydbcn said:
why do you want to study topology? I think the general conceptions is useless in physics.if you don't use it ,you can't master it.it is just waste of time for physicists to study it. you 'd better abandon it.
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Are you serious?

Firstly, this a topology forum.

Secondly, huyichen, the original poster in this thread has not mentioned physics, and might have no interest in physics. For example, for all we know, huyichen could be a pure mathematician or a student of pure mathematics who has no interest in physics.

Thirdly, topology is used in various areas of mathematical physics, e.g. the global methods used in general relativity. I think it would be difficult to read the proofs in Hawking and Ellis with understanding without some knowledge of topology.

For example, it's easy to show using a topological argument,

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1254758#post1254758,

that any compact spacetime must have closed timelike curves (time travel).
 
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huyichen said:
I found it is hard for myself to follow the book on general topology by willard, since there are too many abstract definitions with too few examples to help me to establish these terms. I am wondering if there is any good problem book with sufficient problems that would help to make abstract concepts more concrete. Any suggestion will be appreciated.

personally I advise you to learn general topology as you need it in other areas of mathematics. usually a first course in complex analysis will give you a strong start.
 
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George Jones said:
Are you serious?

Firstly, this a topology forum.

Secondly, huyichen, the original poster in this thread has not mentioned physics, and might have no interest in physics. For example, for all we know, huyichen could be a pure mathematician or a student of pure mathematics who has no interest in physics.

Thirdly, topology is used in various areas of mathematical physics, e.g. the global methods used in general relativity. I think it would be difficult to read the proofs in Hawking and Ellis with understanding without some knowledge of topology.

For example, it's easy to show using a topological argument,

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1254758#post1254758,

that any compact spacetime must have closed timelike curves (time travel).

Thanks a lot!your criticism opened my vision. Now I just read books about differential geometry in physics.I am just a student.
 

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