N-dimensional Tayor's Theorem and Dynamics

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The discussion revolves around the n-dimensional version of Taylor's Theorem and its application in dynamics, particularly concerning fixed points of maps from R^n to itself. Participants explore the relationship between eigenvalues of the Jacobian and the nature of fixed points, including attracting, repelling, and saddle points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks the n-dimensional version of Taylor's Theorem and questions if it is formulated in terms of the Jacobian.
  • Another participant suggests that an n-dimensional Mean Value Theorem might be needed instead of Taylor's Theorem.
  • There is a proposal that a fixed point p is attracting if all eigenvalues of the Jacobian at p are inside the n-dimensional hypersphere, and repelling if they are outside.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of analyzing the dynamics one dimension at a time, questioning its necessity and clarity.
  • A differential approximation is introduced, with a focus on how it relates to the behavior of the mapping near the fixed point.
  • There is a discussion on the relationship between the operator norm of the differential and the eigenvalues, with a claim that the largest absolute value of the eigenvalues determines the operator norm.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how the eigenvalues relate to the fixed point's attractiveness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether an n-dimensional Mean Value Theorem is necessary and how to approach the analysis of fixed points. There is no consensus on the best method to analyze the dynamics or the implications of the eigenvalues.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential for confusion regarding the relationship between eigenvalues and fixed point stability, as well as the applicability of one-dimensional analysis to higher dimensions.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in advanced dynamics, fixed point theory, and the mathematical foundations of n-dimensional analysis.

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I've tried mathworld and wiki but I can't find the n-dimensional version of Taylor's Theorem. Is it formulated in terms of the Jacobian?

In my dynamics book, it states that a map f from R^2 to itself has an attracting fixed point p if f(p)=p and all eigenvalues of the jacobian lie inside the unit circle, a repelling fixed point p if all eigenvalues lie outside the unit circle, and a saddle point if one is inside and one is outside.

I'm going to try to justify that terminology for myself and I think I need a higher D analog of the mean value theorem; an n-D Taylor's theorem. I guess my ultimate goal is to prove the following:

Let f be a map from R^n to itself. If p is a fixed point of f and all eigenvalues of the Jacobian of f at p are inside the n-dimensional hypersphere, then p is an attracting fixed point. By this, I mean that there is a neighborhood of p for which all points in the neighborhood converge to p upon iteration of f.

Likewise, if all eigenvalues are outside the n-dimensional unit sphere, then there is a nieghborhood N around p such that f(N) contains N and for all x in N\{p}, (f^m)(x) is not in N for some m>0.

Finally, I want to show that for saddle points, there exist functions f such that f has an attracting fixed point and functions g such that f has a repelling fixed point.
 
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Oh I suppose I just need an n-dimensional Mean Value Theorem, not Taylor's Theorem.
 
Bah, I was writing a nice post on the n-dimensional taylor series. :-p

Do you really need a multidimensional mean value theorem? Can't you do the whole thing one dimension at a time?
 
Thanks anyway. But I'm not sure how I'd do it one dimension at a time. Can you please explain that in general terms? You don't mean induction do you?

After all this, I found that I had an analysis book in my little pathetic library anyway. I took one look at the n-m dimensional mean value theorem and knew that the proof would look roughly the same as it does for one dimension. Oh wait... I'm not sure how the eigenvalues being in the unit hypersphere relate. *ponders
 
Well, in the target space, isn't the mapping attractive if and only if it is attractive in each dimension?

Analyzing the source space one dimension at a time may be possible, but it's not obvious, and I'm not sure it's necessary.
 
Also, what about taking a simple differential approximation? (f, x, a are all vectors)

f(x) = f(a) + df (x-a) + R(x-a)

where R -> 0 as x -> a
 
Oh yeah, that's true. Hmm... That's good enough for me. Thanks, Hurkyl.
 
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I'm curious to know what the eigenvalues of df have to do with it. Do you know?
 
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Well, if a is the fixed point, then the goal is:

|f(x) - a| < |x - a|

We can write the differential approximation as:

f(x) - a = (df + R) (x - a)

|f(x) - a| <= |df + R| |x - a| <= (|df| + |R|) |x - a|

Where |A| denotes the operator norm (matrix norm) of A.

That is,

[tex] |A| = \sup_{x \neq 0} \frac{|Ax|}{|x|}[/tex]

If A has a complete set of eigenvectors (that is, n linearly independent eigenvectors), then it is a straightforward exercise to show that |A| is simply the largest absolute value of its eigenvalues. (I have a hunch this is true for all matrices, but I don't recall for sure)

Also, we have that |R| --> 0 as x --> a since R --> 0 as x --> a

So, if |df| < 1, we can pick a neighborhood of a such that |R| < 1 - |df|, and thus

|f(x) - a| <= |df + R| |x - a| <= (|df| + |R|) |x - a| < |x - a|

And, thus, a is an attractive fixed point.
 
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Very cool. I had forgotten that |A| is simply the largest absolute value of its eigenvalues. Doh!
 
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It's easy to forget a lot of things until you start writing them down. :smile:
 

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