
#1
Feb1810, 02:43 AM

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I am talking about the three dimensional graph in y real; y imaginary; and x real. I understand it is a cylinder centered on x axis, but can you say more? In particular, is it possible that it is an infinitly dense spiral centered around x axis?
harry wertmuller 



#2
Feb1810, 03:50 AM

P: 625

I am afraid there is something wrong in your question. Namely, if x is real, then y=exp(x) is always real too.
Perhaps the function you are interested in is: [tex]y=e^{ix}[/tex] where i id the imaginary unit, and x is a real number. Plotting the graph in the coordinatesystem you mentioned gives you a spiral with its axis in x. But it is not an "infinitely dense" cylinder. To increase/decrease what you call "density" (and what physicists and engineers call frequency), you can introduce a real constant k and write: [tex]y=e^{ikx}[/tex] These are essentially the complex sinusoids used in the Fourier transform. Hope it helps. 



#3
Feb1810, 12:56 PM

P: 100

No, not y=exp(x). Y=(1) exp x. I believe some posters use ^ for exponential so you might write
y=(1)^x. When x is onehalf, y is definitely not real. For infinitesimal increments of x we obtain values of y real and y imaginary at various points centered around the x axis. I am wondering if there is any order to this chaos. harry wertmuller 



#4
Feb1810, 03:45 PM

P: 625

Describe graph of y=[1] exp x
Ah! Now I understand! You meant [tex]y=1^x[/tex].
If I got your question right, you can rewrite it as: [tex]y=(1)^x = e^{i\pi x}[/tex] At this point you can go back and reread my previous post and everything should make sense. 



#5
Feb1810, 11:15 PM

P: 100

Gotcha.
Spiral. Not infinitely dense. Would be correct to say one full loop for every two units on Xaxis? 



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Feb1910, 01:11 AM

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#7
Feb1910, 02:18 AM

P: 625

[tex]y(x+2)=e^{i\pi (x+2)}=e^{i\pi x}e^{i2\pi}=e^{i\pi x}=y(x)[/tex] and there is no other number k (where [itex]0<k<2[/itex]) such that you get [tex]y(x+k)=y(k), \forall x[/tex] And btw, you are definitely dealing with complex sinusoids. You might want want to familiriaze more with that subject, and why not, also play around with this. 



#8
Feb2310, 10:34 AM

P: 100

Hey mnb96  So period for my dumb equation is 2 but how did you know that? I found out just from computing some intermediate results. And from looking at the nifty Java applet you listed at Utrecht University. You removed the '2' from the exponent as if it were clear 'by inspection'. Me fail inspect.




#9
Feb2310, 11:16 AM

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For a function f, if f(x + p) = f(x), the function is periodic with period p. mnb96 showed you that y(x + 2) = y(x), so the period of this function is 2.




#10
Feb2310, 11:29 AM

P: 100

Well, it isn't "shown" is my point. If someone would say "We know by DeMoivre's Theorem e^(2pi)=1" then I could review DeMoivre. Otherwise left stumbling around the Internet. Thanks, though. Definitely answered my original question.




#11
Feb2310, 01:50 PM

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mnb96 used Euler's formula: e^{ix} = cos(x) + isin(x). If x = pi, you have e^{i pi} = cos(pi) + i sin(pi) = 1 + 0i = 1.
He replaced 1 by e^{i pi} 


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