Understanding the Minimum Thickness for Preventing Overturning in Concrete Dams

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum thickness required for a freestanding concrete dam to prevent overturning, with a focus on the forces acting on the dam and the concept of torque. The subject area includes mechanics and structural stability.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the definition of overturning and its implications for dam stability. There are attempts to relate the problem to concepts of torque and forces acting on the dam. Questions arise regarding the necessity of considering atmospheric pressure and the relevance of the dam's thickness in the context of the problem.

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The discussion has progressed through various interpretations of the problem, with some participants providing calculations related to torque and thickness. There is recognition of potential errors in earlier reasoning, and a revised expression for thickness has been proposed, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the importance of density values for water and concrete in the calculations, as well as the need to clarify assumptions regarding the dam's stability and the forces involved.

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I'm having trouble understanding this question:

For a freestanding concrete dam of uniform thickness t and height h, what minimum thickness is needed to prevent overturning? Do you need to add in atmospheric pressure for this last part? Explain.

What do they mean by overturning exactly? And why would I need to find the thickness when I'm already given the thickness?
 
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On the face of it, this looks like a question about buckling strength, but I'm not too sure..
 
e(ho0n3 said:
What do they mean by overturning exactly?
I presume "overturn" means just what it sounds like it means: knock over, topple.

When full, the water exerts a force on the dam. Is it enough to topple the dam? Think of the dam as a solid block. (Consider torques.)
And why would I need to find the thickness when I'm already given the thickness?
The thickness is a variable.

An interesting problem.
 
OK. I found the force of the water on the dam and where it acts. What I then did was, I calculated the torque about the tipping edge (assumming the block is already in tipped state) and set this greater than zero. Solving for t, I obtained

[tex]t > \sqrt{h/3}[/tex]

Am I correct?
 
e(ho0n3 said:
[tex]t > \sqrt{h/3}[/tex]

Am I correct?
Don't you find it odd that your answer shows no dependence on the mass of the dam or the density of the water?
 
That and the units don't make any sense. Hmm...What to do?
 
OK. I made some dumb mistakes but now I have the answer, which is

[tex]t > \sqrt{\frac{\rho_w}{3\rho_c}}h[/tex]

where [itex]\rho_w[/itex] is the density of water and [itex]\rho_c[/itex] is the density of concrete.
 
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Now you got it. :approve:
 

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