Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the speeds of electrons, exploring both measured and calculated values in various contexts, including electrical circuits and experimental setups. Participants examine the range of electron speeds, including typical velocities and specific examples from experiments.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant notes that electrons can move from 0 to just under the speed of light (c), highlighting the distinction between Fermi speed and drift velocity in electrical circuits.
- Another participant mentions typical instantaneous speeds due to thermal motion (~10^6 m/s) and average speeds corresponding to electrical current (~10^-4 m/s).
- Experimental electron beam energies have been reported from fractions of an electron volt to ~50 GeV, with Lorentz gammas reaching up to ~100,000.
- A participant questions the characterization of Fermi speed as being due to thermal motion, suggesting that it is defined at absolute zero and changes only slightly at room temperature.
- In a specific application, the speed of electrons in a cathode ray tube (CRT) is cited as approximately 5.8 x 10^7 meters per second.
- A humorous remark is made about the speed of light in relation to zitterbewegung.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express various viewpoints on the definitions and contexts of electron speeds, with some agreeing on the general ranges while others contest specific characterizations, particularly regarding Fermi speed and its relation to thermal motion. The discussion remains unresolved on certain technical points.
Contextual Notes
There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about electron speeds, the definitions of terms like Fermi speed, and the specific conditions under which these speeds apply. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved.