What happens to the kinetic energy of a speedy proton

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The discussion revolves around the kinetic energy of a proton as its relativistic mass changes, specifically when it is stated to double. Participants are exploring the implications of relativistic physics on kinetic energy calculations.

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  • The original poster questions the nature of the answers provided and discusses the relationship between force, speed, and mass in the context of relativistic effects. Some participants provide mathematical expressions for kinetic energy and challenge the validity of traditional formulas at relativistic speeds.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, presenting different formulas and interpretations of kinetic energy in relativistic contexts. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the appropriate equations to use, with some guidance offered regarding the correct expressions for kinetic energy.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the application of classical versus relativistic formulas for kinetic energy, and participants are questioning the assumptions underlying the problem setup.

Dx
Hello,

What happens to the kinetic energy of a speedy proton when its relativistic masss doubles?

a) it doubles b) it more than doubles c) it less than doubles d) it must increase but impossible to say by how much

Now, what kind of question is this? Or should I ask what klind of answers are these, its like really vagues, huh?

I mean whith a steady net force applied to an object of rest mass, the object increases speed. Since its acting over a distance the work done and its KE increases but not over c (speed of light in vacuum). On the other hand the mass of the object not only increases
with increaseing speed. That is to say the work done on an object not only increases its speed but also contributes to increaseing mass. My question now is which answer would you choose?

dx
 
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Mass increases with speed as m= m0/sqrt(1-v2/c2.

Kinetic energy is given by (1/2)mv2.

Put those together and you get ((1/2)m0)(v2/sqrt(1-v2/c2)).

If v is such that 1/sqrt(1-v2/c2= 2 (mass doubles) then the v2 part will have caused the kintic energy to be far more than double.
 
" Kinetic energy is given by (1/2)mv2 " ?

I'm not sure about that...

Kinetic energy = m0*c^2*[1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)-1]...

m1=m0/sqrt(1-v1^2/c^2)...T1=m0*c^2*[1/sqrt(1-v1^2/c^2)-1]...
m2=m0/sqrt(1-v2^2/c^2)...T2=m0*c^2*[1/sqrt(1-v2^2/c^2)-1]...
m2=2*m1...
1/sqrt(1-v2^2/c^2)=2/sqrt(1-v1^2/c^2)...
Let a=1/sqrt(1-v1^2/c^2)...b=1/sqrt(1-v2^2/c^2)...
b=2*a...
T1=m0*c^2*(a-1)...
T2=m0*c^2*(b-1)...
T2/T1=(b-1)/(a-1)=(2*a-1)/(a-1)=[2*(a-1)+1]/(a-1)=2+1/(a-1)...
So... T2/T1>2...
 
Originally posted by bogdan
" Kinetic energy is given by (1/2)mv2 " ?

I'm not sure about that...

Kinetic energy = m0*c^2*[1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)-1]...

Yes, you're right. KE=(γ-1)m0c2

The formula KE=(1/2)mv2is not valid at relativistic speeds.
 

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