Converting Force to Velocity: Tips for Solving Tricky Physics Problems"

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conversion of force to velocity, specifically in the context of calculating the force acting on a third particle in a system of three masses. The original poster is attempting to determine the force required to achieve a given final velocity of the center of mass after a specified time.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need for a complete problem statement to provide effective assistance. The original poster shares specific values for mass, forces, and time, while also noting discrepancies between their calculated force and the book's answer. Some participants suggest using Newton's second law and breaking forces into components to set up equations for solving the problem.

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The discussion has progressed with participants offering guidance on evaluating the problem and checking for potential mistakes in calculations. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's realization of an error in their approach, leading to a corrected answer. However, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the method or final values, as different interpretations and calculations are still being explored.

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Participants note the importance of significant figures based on the given data and question the accuracy of the book's answer in relation to the original poster's calculations. There is also mention of formatting issues with LaTeX graphics in the thread.

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I am going brain dead! How do I convert force to velocity? I do know the acceleration and time and mass, but my conversion is not working in the problem. I am given the final Velocity-center of mass, but I need to find the Force in N for a third particle.
 
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If you would give us a complete statement of the problem, we may be able to help you. What you have given us is insufficient to understand what you are doing or what you want.
 
Here is the simple problem.

All of the objects start at rest and move for 32 sec. If the velocity of the center of mass after 32 sec is 6 m/s at an angle of 124, determine the magnitude and direction of mass 3.

m1---4kg----F1--1.8N @ 48
m2---5kg----F2--1.5N @ 245
m3---6kg----F3--?N @ ?

The answer I got was 2.671N @ 143.349

The answer in the book is 3.18N @ 132.4

I used vf=vi+at to find a...

then used Ma_cm= F1+F2+F3 broken into the x and y components
 
It sounds like you were on the right track. Perhaps your mistake was just in the evaluation?

The book's answer seems to have too many significant digits, considering that you were only given forces with two significant digits of accuracy.

You can use Newton's second law for components to get two equations with two variables,

[tex]F_{net x} = F_{1x} + F_{2x} + F_{3x} = M_{net} a_x[/tex]
[tex]F_{net y} = F_{1y} + F_{2y} + F_{3y} = M_{net} a_y[/tex]

Where

[tex]F_{3x} = F_3 \cos \theta[/tex]

and

[tex]F_{3y} = F_3 \sin \theta[/tex]

It would probably be easiest to solve for F3. Substitute that into the other equation, and you have something you can rearrange and evaluate, using the fact that

[tex]v_x = a_x t[/tex]

and

[tex]v_y = a_y t[/tex]
 
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Do those all show up as "LaTeX graphic is being generated, please wait a moment, then reload the page" to anyone else? It looks fine when I preview it, but not when it's actually posted.
 
Zorodius said:
Do those all show up as "LaTeX graphic is being generated, please wait a moment, then reload the page" to anyone else? It looks fine when I preview it, but not when it's actually posted.

It appears the same for me.
 
Thanks for the help. After looking at the problem again, I realized I used cos in both the x and y components. Silly stupid mistake. got the right answer now though.
 

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