What do you think of a reaction motor that works only with spinning pistons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a reaction motor utilizing spinning pistons, exploring the mechanics and feasibility of such a design. Participants share their thoughts on the principles involved, potential challenges in construction, and the implications regarding established physical laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a mechanism involving counter-rotating cylinders and centrifugal force, questioning its feasibility and seeking contacts for construction.
  • Another participant shares a similar past experience with a device using gears, noting that it balanced out and did not produce the expected linear force, suggesting skepticism about the original idea's effectiveness.
  • A third participant challenges the feasibility of the proposed device, arguing that it contradicts Newton's third principle, while expressing a desire to explore the concept further despite uncertainties in construction.
  • A fourth participant proposes a method using gears and weights to illustrate a similar concept, suggesting that experimentation is necessary to determine the outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and effectiveness of the proposed reaction motor. There is no consensus on whether the device could produce a net force or if it would balance out as some suggest.

Contextual Notes

Participants note challenges related to asymmetric movement and the implications of Newton's laws, indicating that assumptions about force generation and balance are unresolved.

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ill explain how it works:
two cilinders are counter rotative now ill explain what it does one of them represented by a cigarete or similar

take the cigarete by the center with the filter aiming at 9 oclock, spin it holding it by the center till the filter points at 3 oclock (going counterwise)

them from 3 to 12 move your hold to the cigarete from the center to the extreme(oposite to the filter) at the same time you spin it till 12

then fom 12 to 9 return the hold of the cigarete to the center and repit the process

you have centrifugal force that pulls the object on one side of the circle (from 3 to 9) and balance in the othe half (from 9 to 3)

what do you think?

who could i contact in order to build it with spinning piston cilinders? (the pistons would move and recenter the center of gravity from the spinning axe and to it
 
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I had a similar idea in high school; only done with three gears. I thought I would get a linear force that would tend to move the device in the direction of the offset of weight.

Turned out, when I constructed the device, that it exactly balanced. Took as much force to reset the weights as was provided by the offset. So my guess is that your device would balance, with no offset forces; if that was your assertion. :smile:
 
i would like to be able to build this to check myself but the problem is that this device is very difficult to build since has an asimetric movement because there's one half of turn acumulating momentum and the other half making all the movement of the piston,
you couldn't posibly have built this device in high school only similar as you say

the problem is that this would contradict Newtons third principle but since there's no obvious mistake in my engine i think its worth the try

the problem is that i don't know how to build it
 
Take three gears 000 like the zeros. Put weights on the left-most and right-most gears so that the weights are offset to the right. Hold the middle gear and rotate the other two around it. You will see that the weights will be pointing to the right during the long stroke and to the left during the short stroke.

This gets you the same thing as slipping the cylinder in a rotating hub. All the peices you need are in a simple erictor set.

I don't think it will result in a linear force, but you need to try it. It is the only way you'll ever know for sure.

Vern
 

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