A challenge Question on Inverse Laplace

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a challenge question related to finding the inverse Laplace transform of a given function, specifically addressing the complexities of the denominator and the presence of exponential terms. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differential equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in factoring the denominator due to the constant term 17 and suggests splitting the denominator into linear factors.
  • Another participant points out that the denominator cannot be factored over the reals but can be rewritten by completing the square.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous point about completing the square and adds that factoring can be done using complex factors, suggesting the use of partial fractions and inverse transform tables.
  • A later reply mentions that the problem is straightforward once the step function is understood, indicating that the exponential term represents a shift.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of completing the square for the denominator, but there is disagreement on the nature of factoring, particularly regarding real versus complex roots. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to proceed with the inverse Laplace transform.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about factoring the polynomial and the implications of using complex numbers. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary for finding the inverse transform.

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Hey everyone, I am trying to solve this challenge question on finding the inverse laplace transform of

[tex]f(s)=\frac{5se^{-3s} - e^{-3s}}{s^{2}-4s+17}[/tex]

Heres my reasoning: I feel that I should split up that denominator into two linear factors, however its that odd 17 that is very troublesome. In addition, I attempted to factor out an [tex]e^{-3s}[/tex] in the numerator and try to proceed from there--- but I tried to get help from the homework section but it seems like not as many posts come in there, and Id think avid diff eq experts hang out here more, so any help would be greatly appreciated in solving this problem! THANKS!
 
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You CAN'T factor s2- 4s+ 17 since the equation s2- 4s+ 17= 0 does not have real roots but you can "complete the square":

s2- 4s+ 17= s2+ 4s+ 4+ 13= (s+2)2+ 13.

And yes, factoring the e-3s out is a good idea.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You CAN'T factor s2- 4s+ 17 since the equation s2- 4s+ 17= 0 does not have real roots but you can "complete the square":

s2- 4s+ 17= s2+ 4s+ 4+ 13= (s+2)2+ 13.

And yes, factoring the e-3s out is a good idea.

Of course you can factor it - you just can't factor it over the reals!

After you do the factoring (yes, with complex factors!) then you can rewrite using partial fractions and look up the inverse transforms in tables. Or you can just use Cauchy's Residue Theorem directly since you already know where the poles are.
 
I was foolish, it's a very easy problem once you learn the step function. The e^-3s is just a shift, using the u(t) the shift is 3.
 

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