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The discussion revolves around a problem related to Newton's laws of motion, specifically focusing on forces acting on objects in motion and the concept of friction. Participants are attempting to analyze a scenario involving two objects and the forces required to maintain constant velocity.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the objects, including friction and tension, and question the clarity of the problem setup. Some suggest drawing free-body diagrams to visualize the forces involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations of the forces at play. Some participants have provided calculations and reasoning, while others express uncertainty about the information given and the correctness of the book's solution. Guidance has been offered regarding the application of Newton's laws and the relationships between the forces.

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Participants note potential insufficiencies in the problem statement and question the accuracy of the provided solution in the textbook. The coefficient of friction and the weights of the objects are central to the discussion, with some participants indicating a need for further clarification on these aspects.

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can anyone help me in this problem ?
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a = 5.4 Newton >>>> i think it is not clear in the attachment ?
 
This problem sounds a bit tricky, but it really isn't. What they aren't telling you is that first you'll pull the box with whatever force you need to get it moving. Once you've done that it wants to know what force keeps it at a constant velocity.

Using Newton's laws, what force on an object produces a constant velocity?

If you will answer that I'll help with the rest of the problem.
 
The total weight of the objects is 9.0 Newtons. Since the coefficient of friction is 0.35, the friction force will be (0.35)(9.0) Newtons. The force necessary to keep them moving at constant velocity is exactly the force necessary to offset that.
 
thanx HallsofIvy ... but the answer written in the book is 4.05 ( but i don't know the steps to bring this answer )
dear locrian... do u mean this >>>> sum F= 0 ?
thanx guys ... but please continue to solve this problem
 
Either you've been given insufficient information, or your book has an incorrect solution.
Let's look at the forces working on each object A, B in the horizontal direction
Object A:
1. The frictional force from the ground, [tex]-f_{G}[/tex]
2. The frictional force between A and B:[tex]-f_{AB}[/tex]
3. the rope tension: -T
4. The force you drag the along system with: f
Object B:
1. The frictional force between A and B:[tex]f_{AB}[/tex]
2. the rope tension:-T
(I've added signs for assumed directions)

Are you with me on this?
 
HallsofIvy, there's also friction between the blocks (I would imagine - maybe with the same coefficient).

But assuming that, I get F= 4.4N

abc, draw the free-body force diagram, and take it from there.
 
We'll proceed:
The weight of object B is [tex]w_{B}[/tex], and we have therefore:
[tex]f_{AB}=\mu_{AB}w_{B}[/tex]
where [tex]\mu_{AB}[/tex] is the friction coefficient between A and B

That A moves with constant velocity implies that B also moves with constant velocity, since otherwise, the rope length can't remain constant.

Hence, the rope tension must satisfy (by Newton's 2.law applied to object B in the horizontal direction):
[tex]T=\mu_{AB}w_{B}[/tex]

Clearly, the normal force from the ground on object A must balance the weights of both objects; hence we have for the frictional force:
[tex]f_{G}=\mu_{G}(w_{A}+w_{B})[/tex]

Newton's 2.law in the horizontal direction for object A must read:
[tex]f-f_{AB}-T-f_{G}=0[/tex]
Or, solving for f:
[tex]f=\mu_{G}w_{A}+(\mu_{G}+2\mu_{AB})w_{B}[/tex]
By setting [tex]\mu_{G}=\mu_{AB}=0.35[/tex] we gain:
[tex]f=0.35*(5.4+3*3.6)=0.35*16.2=5.67[/tex]

your book's solution is wrong
 
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thanx all for replying ...
regard
abc
 

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