Percent Uncertainty of a spherical beach ball

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The discussion revolves around calculating the percent uncertainty in the volume of a spherical beach ball, given a radius of r = 3.86 ± 0.08 m. Participants explore different methods and reasoning to arrive at the percent uncertainty, which is suggested to be 6%.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the volume using the formula for a sphere and questions how to incorporate the uncertainty in the radius into their calculations. Some participants suggest using calculus to derive the uncertainty in volume, while others propose a non-calculus method based on percent error principles.

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Participants are actively sharing different approaches to the problem, including both calculus-based and non-calculus methods. There is a recognition of the need to clarify how to properly account for the uncertainty in the radius when calculating the percent uncertainty in volume. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and some guidance has been provided on how to approach the calculations.

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There is a mention of the original poster's inexperience with physics and math, which may influence their understanding of the concepts being discussed. Participants also note the importance of accurately determining the uncertainty based on the given radius and its variation.

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Question is : What is the percent uncertainty in the volume of a spherical beach ball whose radius is r = 3.86 ± 0.08 m ?

The answer is 6 % , but I am not getting that, I am pretty sure I am on the right path, I found the volume of the ball using V = (4 x 3.14 x r^3) / 3

Btw, I am pretty sure you need to take into account the ± .08m for 3.86 when you find radius. I got 3.94 and 3.78 Radius's. But I still don't see how I can get 6 %. Heres the percent uncertainty formula. (uncertainty)/(value) x 100

Maybe I am on the wrong track, please help me through this problem, I am new to Physics and a little rusty on my math, so any pointers are greatly appreciated.

Thanks
-Anamoly
 
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how much calculus have u done? because what i will be posting further requires calc knowledge ...

V = (4/3)*pi*r^3
dV/dr = (4/3)*pi*3*r^2 = 4*pi*r^2

let delta_V (the uncertainty in volume) and delta_r (the uncertainty in radius) ..
then its easy to show that.
delta_V = (dV/dr) * delta_r
so ,
delta_V = 4*pi*r^2*delta_r

Now as u said,
percentage error = (uncertainty)/(value) * 100
i.e
percentage error
= delta_V / V * 100
= (4*pi*r^2*delta_r)/((4/3)*pi*r^3) * 100
= (3/r)*delta_r*100

put r = 3.86 and delta_r = 0.08
and u will get 6.22%

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Here's a method of solving the question without calculus.

V= (4pi/3)* r^3
that part is easily calculated to give 240.91 m^3
For the calculation of error use the following.
1)Multiplication by a constant does not change the PERCENT ERROR.
2)The PERCENT ERROR in a value raised to a constant power is power*%error in the value.
% error in the radius is 2%
4pi/3 is a constant value and has no effect on the %error of the volume.
% error in volume = 3*2 = 6%.
Thus the % error in the volume is 6%.
 
To get a precise value: if r = 3.86 ± 0.08 m , then r could be as large as 3.86+ 0.08 = 3.94 m. Calculate the volume of a sphere with that radius. (256 cubic meters)
r could be as small as 3.86- 0.08= 3.76. Calculate the volume of that. (222.6 cubic meters)

The "reference" size is r= 3.86. Calculate the volume of that sphere (241 cubic meters). The true size could be 241-222.6= 18.4 cubic meters too small or 256- 241= 15 cubic meters too small. The larger of those is 18.4 so the "uncertainty" is 18.4 cubic meters. Now divide by the volume, 241 cubic meters, to get the "relative uncertainty" which is actually about 7%.

A good approximation is to use V= (4/3)πr3 to get dV= 4πr2dr and, then, dV/V= 3 dr/r. With r= 3.86 and dr= 0.08, this is dV/V= 3(0.08/3.86)= 6.2%.

Notice the calculations done on that approximation are the same as Hypercase gave.
 

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