Calculating Tunnel Width at Ground Level

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The discussion revolves around calculating the width of a tunnel with a circular arc cross-section, given specific dimensions and constraints related to a vertical strut supporting the tunnel's roof. Participants explore the geometry and mathematical relationships involved in this problem.

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  • One participant describes the tunnel's cross-section as a circular arc with a maximum height of 10 units and a vertical strut 9 units high positioned 27 units from the side.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the problem's visualization and attempts to share a diagram, indicating a need for clarity.
  • A subsequent post mentions difficulties in uploading a diagram and provides feedback on the previous participant's drawing, suggesting corrections regarding the base of the tunnel and the measurement reference point.
  • One participant proposes setting up a coordinate system with the circle's center at the origin, leading to the equation of the circle and a method to express the width of the tunnel in terms of the radius R.
  • Another participant reiterates the same mathematical approach, confirming the method and expressing appreciation for the clarity of the explanation.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to solving the problem, but there is uncertainty regarding the visualization and specific details of the diagram. No consensus is reached on the best way to represent the problem visually.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the geometry of the tunnel and the coordinate system used, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. There are also unresolved details regarding the diagram that could influence understanding.

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The cross-section of a tunnel is a circular arc. The maximum height of the tunnel is 10 (units). A vertical strut 9 (units) high supports the roof of the tunnel from a point 27 (units) along the ground from the side. Calculate the width of the tunnel at ground level.

Please help me solve this.


P.S:-I'd post this in HW help, but this isn't my home work, its just a sum that's bugging me.
 
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I'm not sure I picture it correctly. Is it something like the picture I attached?

(My Paint skills are limited, so please bear with me)
 

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hey sorry i tried attaching a diagram, it probably didnt load.
I'll draw another one in a moment.

-Cheers.
 
Sorry, but I'm unable to load the pic.
What software did you use to draw that pic? I tried using paint but he file size always turns out greater than the limit.
Your pic is correct except that the base should be a minor chord and the 27 m is measured from the side closest to the 9 m high pillar.
 
Set up a coordinate system so that the circle's center is at the origin. The equation of the circle is x2+ y2= R2. Take the "ground level" to be y= u (unknown). Since the maximum height of the tunnel is 10, we have u= 10- R.
One side of the tunnel is where x2+ u2= R2 or
x2+ (10-R)2= R2 or x2+ 100 - 20R= 0.
x= √(20R- 100) and the width of the tunnel is 2x= 2√(20R-100).

We are told that at 27 units from the edge (i.e. x= √(20R-100)- 27), the height is 9 units (i.e. y= 9+u= 19-R). That gives (√(20R-100)-27)2- (19-R)2= R2. Solve that equation for R and then find 2√(20R-100).
 
HallsofIvy said:
Set up a coordinate system so that the circle's center is at the origin. The equation of the circle is x2+ y2= R2. Take the "ground level" to be y= u (unknown). Since the maximum height of the tunnel is 10, we have u= 10- R.
One side of the tunnel is where x2+ u2= R2 or
x2+ (10-R)2= R2 or x2+ 100 - 20R= 0.
x= √(20R- 100) and the width of the tunnel is 2x= 2√(20R-100).

We are told that at 27 units from the edge (i.e. x= √(20R-100)- 27), the height is 9 units (i.e. y= 9+u= 19-R). That gives (√(20R-100)-27)2- (19-R)2= R2. Solve that equation for R and then find 2√(20R-100).

Good answer, and you can SO tell that you've done a lot of classical mechanics... (unless I am wrong)
 

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