Minimum black hole mass to survive fall to event horizon

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The minimum mass of a black hole required for a person to survive a fall through its event horizon is approximately 20,496 solar masses, corresponding to a Schwarzschild radius of 60,536 km. This conclusion is derived from analyzing tidal forces and gravitational acceleration differences between a person's head and feet as they approach the event horizon. The calculations involve the equation for gravitational force and the Schwarzschild radius formula, with assumptions made about the height of the individual and the limits of tidal stretching forces. The discussion highlights the importance of approximations in simplifying complex equations to arrive at this result.

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I'm having no end of trouble with this seemingly simple problem:

Homework Statement



What's the minimum mass of a black hole for which you could survive a fall through the event horizon without being ripped to shreds? Why would you be ripped to shreds for smaller black holes?

Homework Equations



\textbf{F} = -G\frac{mM}{r^2}\hat{\textbf{r}}

R_s = \frac{2GM}{c^2}​
(Schwarzschild radius)

The Attempt at a Solution



Assume person of height h (= 2 m) can survive a tidal stretching force of 5mg over the length of his body (g being the acceleration due to gravity on Earth). Assume further that he is to be just barely surviving when his feet touch the event horizon. Then, the difference between the gravitational acceleration on his head and his feet should be:

\Delta a = -GM\left[\frac{1}{R_s^2} - \frac{1}{(R_s + h)^2} \right] = 5g​

When I try and solve this, I get some cubic equation:

\frac{c^2 h^2}{10g} = R_s^3 + 2R_s^2h + R_s\left[h^2 -c^2 \frac{h}{5g}\right]​

I spoke to other people who said they solved this easily and got something on the order of 104 solar masses as the lower limit. Have I done something wrong with my algebra (or worse yet, with the physics)?
 
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Without checking your math over, what if you assume h«Rs and drop all the small terms in your equation? (Then double check the h«Rs assumption after you calculate the final answer.)
 
Redbelly98 said:
Without checking your math over, what if you assume h«Rs and drop all the small terms in your equation? (Then double check the h«Rs assumption after you calculate the final answer.)

Yes, if you drop h2 terms everywhere, as well as dropping one rh term when it appears added to an r2 term, you get the same expression as you do if you approximate the change in force by:

\Delta F = \frac{dF}{dr} \Delta r​

I got a result of M >= 20 496 solar masses, which corresponds to a Schwarzschild radius of 60 536 km (much greater than two metres!).

Thanks for the tip. Also, I noticed that dropping h2 terms is equivalent to Taylor expanding (r + h)2 to first order.
 
Cool, and I get the same Rs as you. (Didn't check the mass calculation.)
 
I used the following equation for tidal forces-

dg=\frac{2Gm}{r^3}dr

set dg=5g where g is Earth's gravity, r=rs where rs is the Schwarzschild radius (r_s=2Gm/c^2), dr=2 and solved for m, the answer I got was 20,495 sol.
 

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