What tells a photon what to do?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of photons as they interact with different materials, specifically focusing on why photons can pass through transparent materials while reflecting off polished surfaces. Participants explore the underlying principles governing these phenomena, including classical and quantum mechanical perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what determines the angle of re-emission of photons after being absorbed and re-emitted by electrons.
  • Another participant states that Maxwell's equations govern the reflection and refraction of electromagnetic waves at material interfaces, suggesting a classical framework.
  • Quantum mechanics is mentioned as being equivalent to classical theory in the limit of many photons, indicating a connection between the two theories.
  • Some participants highlight the concept of photons taking "all possible paths" and self-interference as part of their behavior, referencing Feynman's path-integral formulation.
  • Links to external resources are provided by participants to further explore the topic of reflection and refraction.
  • One participant notes that both reflection and refraction occur in a ratio dependent on the material, indicating a potential area for further investigation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms behind photon behavior, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. The discussion includes both classical and quantum perspectives, indicating multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the limitations of popular explanations that do not allow for calculative predictions, suggesting a gap between conceptual understanding and practical application.

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What is it that makes a photon find its way straight through transparent materials, but reflect away from materials with polished surfaces? Photons are absorbed by electrons, then re-emitted. What determines the angle of re-emission?
 
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Maxwell's equations determine how an electromagnetic plane wave reflects and/or refracts at an interface between two media.

Quantum mechanics has to be equivalent to classical theory in the limit for a large number of photons.

The actual description of why photons do what they do involves some oddities, like the photons taking "all possible paths", and interfering with themselves. Feynman discusses this in "QED: A strange theory of Light and Matter", which is a pretty good popular book, if you don't mind not being able to actually calculate anything after reading it.

(ps: as good as it was, I found not actually being able to calculate anything *was a serious drawback, I found out by experience that an explanation that doesn't let you calculate something turns out to be a bit illusory).
 
pervect said:
The actual description of why photons do what they do involves some oddities, like the photons taking "all possible paths", and interfering with themselves.


Pervect is referring to the path-integral-formalism of Feynman. The probability that an object moves from point A to point B is calculated as the sum of the probabilities of all possible paths between A and B. This SUM is really an integral when an infinite amount of paths are considered with a distance between them that evolves to zero.

In the double-slit experiment you have two openings, so the path integral is a SUM. But when you have an infinite amount of openings with distance zero between them and the openings themselves have a radius that goes to zero, the path integral becomes an integral instead of a SUM.


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