How Do I Find the Potential Function for This Vector Field?

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The discussion revolves around finding the potential function for a given vector field, specifically addressing the integration process involved in deriving the potential function from the components of the vector field. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanation related to vector calculus.

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  • One participant begins by stating the relationship between the vector field and the potential function, suggesting that the negative gradient of the potential function corresponds to the vector field components.
  • Another participant points out an error in the integration process, indicating that the integration was not performed correctly and that sufficient information exists to determine the potential function up to a constant.
  • A subsequent reply provides a proposed form for the potential function, incorporating a function of y and z, and attempts to derive further relationships based on the partial derivatives.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier reasoning but presents a potential function as a result, which is then challenged by another participant who claims the result is incorrect.
  • Further discussion reveals disagreements regarding the correctness of the derived potential function, with one participant asserting that the integration of a specific term was mishandled, while another insists that their result is indeed correct.
  • A later reply reiterates the need to find the anti-derivative of a specific term, emphasizing the importance of correctly determining the function h(z) in the context of the potential function.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the derived potential function, with multiple competing views on the integration steps and the resulting expressions for U. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to challenge each other's claims without reaching consensus.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made during integration, the dependence on the correct identification of functions involved, and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps in deriving the potential function.

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I have to found a potential. So, I don't know how to integrate this:
F = (x+2y+4z)i + (2x-3y-z)j + (4x-y+2z)k (bold are vectors)

I think it goes like this:
Potential...F = -grad U
(x+2y+4z, 2x-3y-z, 4x-y+2z) = (-dU/dx, -dU/dy, -dU/dz)
(-dU/dx,-dU/dy,-dU/dz are partial deriv.)


-dU/dx=x+2y+4z
-U=x^2/2+2y+4z+C(y,z)
What know? :bugeye: Please help!
 
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You've integrated -dU/dx with respect to x. The ideas good, but you did not integrate correctly.

You know the x dependence of U and you know dU/dy and dU/dz as well.
This is enough info to find U up to a constant.

Good luck.
 
dU/dx= x+2y+4z so U= (1/2)x<sup>2</sup>+ 2xy+ 4xz+ g(y,z)

Given that, dU/dy= 2x+ dg/dy= 2x-3y-z so dg/dy= -3y- z

Must have g= -(3/2)y<sup>2</sup>- yz+ h(z) and so
U= (1/2)x<sup>2</sup>+ 2xy+ 4xz+ (3/2)y<sup>2</sup>- yz+ h(z).

Given that, dU/dz= 4x- y+ h'= 4x-y+2z so h'= 2z.

Now, what is h(z) and what is U?
 
Oh, yes..now I see my mistake
U is Potential.
So, the result is:
U = -1/2*x^2-2xy-4xz+3/2*y^2+yz-2+C
Thank you for your help!
 
No, You don't see. You copied the part I gave you did the tiny part I left incorrectly. You differentiated h'= 2z rather than finding the anti-derivative.
 
But this result is correct. Like Galileo said - I had a good idea but I didn't integrate correctly
 
No, the result is NOT correct.

If U= -1/2*x^2-2xy-4xz+3/2*y^2+yz-2+C

Then Uz= -4x+ 1. The k component of grad U would be -4x+1, not -4x+y-2z as you want.

I said, earlier, "U= (1/2)x2+ 2xy+ 4xz+ (3/2)y2-- yz+ h(z)
Given that, dU/dz= 4x- y+ h'= 4x-y+2z so h'= 2z.

Now, what is h(z) and what is U?"

If h'= 2z then z= z2+ C (since h depends only on z, C is a constant.

Then U(x,y,z)= (1/2)x<sup>2</sup>+ 2xy+ 4xz+ (3/2)y<sup>2</sup>- yz+ z2+ C.
 
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