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Now all we need is for the courts to look at the IDF as well.
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Israeli convicted for 'terrorism'
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Discussion Overview
The thread discusses the conviction of Shahar Dvir Zeliger for membership in a "terrorist organization" and raises questions about the accountability of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and Palestinian authorities regarding terrorism. The scope includes legal perspectives, political implications, and the roles of various organizations in the context of terrorism.
Discussion Character
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants express a desire for the courts to also examine the actions of the IDF in relation to terrorism.
- Others argue that Palestinian terrorists are penalized only when caught, as they are not part of any recognized Palestinian civil authority.
- There is a contention regarding the status of Fatah and its relationship with the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), with some asserting that Fatah is not an arm of the PNA despite its members holding seats within it.
- One participant suggests that the lack of action from the PNA indicates an inability or unwillingness to manage terrorist activities, questioning the effectiveness of the PNA as a governing body.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the relationship between Fatah and the PNA, as well as the accountability of the IDF and Palestinian authorities. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.
Contextual Notes
There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of authority and governance, as well as the implications of the legal status of various organizations involved in the context of terrorism.
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And courts to look at the "Palestinian" terrorists as well.Adam said:
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They do. However, as those terrorists are not part of any Palestinian civil authority, they oly get penalised when caught. The IDF, however, is part of the Israeli civil authority, and is completely accessible to their judicial system. At least in theory.
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riiiiiiiigggghhhhhhttttAdam said:
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Tinfoil hat getting a tad tight there, Kat?
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Fatah is not an arm of the PA?!
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Adam
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No, it's not.
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Lol, thanks for the early morning laugh
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You're welcome. However, the facts remain the facts. Fateh is not an arm of the PNA. Its members make up a good third of PNA seats, but that does not make it an arm of the PNA.
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No, kat, I think Adam is saying since there is no such country as "Palestine," there is no authority to capture and punish criminals. But wait - isn't that what the PA is supposed to be? Don't they have police?
Kinda a double-edged sword, that "government" thing, huh? The only logical conclusion you can draw from the PA's inaction is that they are either unwilling or unable to handle the terrorists. Kinda takes the "A" out of "PA", doesn't it?
Kinda a double-edged sword, that "government" thing, huh? The only logical conclusion you can draw from the PA's inaction is that they are either unwilling or unable to handle the terrorists. Kinda takes the "A" out of "PA", doesn't it?
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No, what I'm saying is that although Fateh members are involved with the PNA, the Fateh is not an arm of the PNA. Kat is a member of Physicsforums. But is she an arm of it? Is she somehow a formal part of its organisation, carrying out its tasks and such?
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The PNA has never had very thorough control over anyone.russ_watters said: