I wont to learn the logic behind a determinant

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The discussion centers around understanding the logic and underlying principles of determinants, particularly in relation to solving dynamic problems. Participants explore the conceptual and mathematical aspects of determinants, their geometric interpretations, and their implications in linear algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the logic behind determinants, questioning why they yield specific information when calculated.
  • Another participant suggests that the determinant's function may not have a straightforward "how" explanation, noting its definition as the ratio of volume change of the unit n-cube.
  • A further explanation involves the relationship between determinants and exterior algebras, but it is noted that this may not be directly useful for the original query.
  • A participant requests clarification on what is meant by "the information I want," indicating a need for more specific context.
  • One participant humorously misinterprets a term related to angular speed, but then clarifies the logic behind the determinant's role in determining whether a matrix has a non-trivial solution for the equation Ax=0.
  • It is stated that a matrix has an inverse if and only if its determinant is not zero, linking this to the conditions for non-trivial solutions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the determinant and its implications, with no consensus reached on a singular understanding of its logic or application in dynamic problems.

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Some assumptions about the level of mathematical understanding and specific applications of determinants remain unclear, and the discussion touches on various interpretations without resolving them.

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I won't to learn the logic behind a determinant, the math isn’t so hard you do that then you do that, you don’t need to think.

But if I gone solve dynamic problems, then I must understand how a determinate work. Why do I get the information I want when I take the determinant?

Do anyone got an link which can help me in this?

Kindly paul-Martin...
 
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I'm not sure that there is a "how" for the determinant's working. The determinant is defined to be the ratio of volume change of the unit n-cube. Do you mean why does it have the formula it does? Well, you could probably show that it were true geometrically, but that isn't very illuminating. If you know anything about exterior algebras, it can be derived from the fact that the n'th degree component of an n dimensional vector space's exterior algebra is 1 dimensional and the determinant is the induced image of the linear transformation on this component, but I don't know how useful that is to you. It is multiplicative and can be shown to be (essentially) unique and so on.

I don't see what this has to do with dynamics though.

Perhaps you could explain a little more what level you're at and what you mean by "how it works"
 
What do YOU mean by "the information I want"?
 
Well the problem i gott are something like this. (i have by accident wrote b instead of w)

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/4681/Determinant.jpg

Thx for any help given Paul-M.
 
I will confess I was bemused for a moment by "angel speed"! (Calculating how fast an angel can fly? Is that before or after dancing on the head of a pin? :smile: ) I think you meant "angular speed" but anyway, you are seeking a value of w so that the matrix equation Ax= 0 has a non-trivial solution (A depending on w).

The "logic" of the situation is this: If A has an inverse, then we could solve the equation Ax= 0 for the unique solution x= A-10= 0. That is, if A has an inverse, then the equation has only the trivial solution. In order to have a non-trivial solution, A must not have an inverse.
A matrix has an inverse if and only if its determinant is not 0 and so does not have an inverse if and only if its determinant is 0. The equation Ax= 0 has a non-trivial solution if and only if det(A)= 0. You correctly set det(A)= 0 and correctly solved for w.
 

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