Uncertainty of Time | Atomic Clocks & Pulsars

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of time intervals based on the rotation of pulsars, specifically focusing on the uncertainty associated with these measurements. The subject area includes concepts from astrophysics and uncertainty analysis in measurements.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the number of rotations of a pulsar over a specified time and the time taken for a set number of rotations. Questions arise regarding the calculation of uncertainty in these measurements, with some participants expressing confusion about the methods used.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using error propagation formulas to determine uncertainty, while others are questioning the accuracy of previous calculations. There is a mix of agreement on certain answers, but also significant uncertainty and exploration of different interpretations of the problem.

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Participants note the complexity of calculating uncertainty and express concerns about the accuracy of previous answers. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the correct approach to the problem, particularly regarding the interpretation of the uncertainty in the context of the given measurements.

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Time standards are now based on atomic clocks. A promising second standard is based on pulsars, which are rotating neutron stars (highly compact stars consisting only of neutrons). Some rotate at a rate that is highly stable, sending out a radio beacon that sweeps briefly across Earth once with each rotation, like a lighthouse beacon. Suppose a pulsar rotates once every 1.424 806 448 872 75 2 ms, where the trailing 2 indicates the uncertainty in the last decimal place (it does not mean 2 ms).
(a) How many times does the pulsar rotate in 21.0 days?
The answer is 1.27e9
(b) How much time does the pulsar take to rotate 1.0 x 10^6 times? (Give your answer to at least 4 decimal places.)
The answer is 1424.8064 seconds
(c) What is the associated uncertainty of this time?

For this problem I am unsure of how the uncertainty is calculated. I understand parts a and b but not C. Please help.
 
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I think your answer to b) is off.

It's rotating once every 1.424 806 448 872 75 2 ms. so for it to rotate 1.000 time plus 0.0106 times, you're definitely not going to be in the 1400 second range.

That's about 20 minutes to go a little more than it was going in beyond less than a second. Recalculate that and you should get a better start for finding the uncertainty.
 
This answer is the right answer, but it should say: How much time does the pulsar take to rotate 1.0 X 10^6 times?
 
Use the error propagation formula:
[tex]s = \sqrt{ \left( \frac{\delta u}{\delta x} \right)^2_{y,z}s_x^2 + \left( \frac{\delta u}{\delta y} \right)^2_{x,z}s_y^2 + \left( \frac{\delta u}{\delta z} \right)^2_{x,y}s_z^2 }[/tex]
This is the 3 dimensional [x,y,z] form of the equation. In this case you only have a single dimension, so, it simplifies to
[tex]s = \sqrt{ \left( nt \right)^2 s_t^2 }[/tex]
where s is the total uncertainty, n is number of cycles, t is cycle time and s sub t is uncertainty per cycle.
 
I get some incredibly odd answer. I think this problem has a simple way that it should be solved and I just don't know what it is.
 
last minute hope lol can anyone help?
 

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