Electricity Basics: Understanding Electrons in a Wire

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The discussion revolves around the flow of electric current through a wire, specifically in the context of batteries and sockets. Participants explore the nature of electrons in a circuit, the role of electric fields, and the behavior of batteries when shorted.

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  • One participant questions why electrons do not run out in a wire connected to a battery, suggesting a finite number of electrons in the wire.
  • Another participant explains that batteries are not ideal voltage sources and introduce the concept of internal resistance, which affects voltage when shorted.
  • It is noted that electrons are continuously supplied by the battery, addressing the concern about running out of electrons.
  • Participants discuss that the current stops when the battery's voltage effectively drops due to increased internal resistance as it discharges.

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Participants generally agree on the role of the battery in supplying electrons and the effect of internal resistance, but there are nuances in understanding how voltage behaves during discharge and the implications of shorting a battery.

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There are assumptions regarding the ideal behavior of batteries and the simplifications made in modeling their internal resistance. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of battery chemistry or the precise dynamics of electron flow in circuits.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in basic electrical concepts, battery operation, and the behavior of electric currents in circuits.

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hey,
I've been reading about how currents flow through a wire. I've read that a socket just produces an electric field, it doesn't produce electrons.
My question is if a socket or let's take the case of a battery, if I connect a battery with a wire, say shorting it. The electrons in the wire flow because of the electric field, so why doesn't it run out of electron? I mean there's got to be finite number of electrons in a wire.

also, I don't understand how shorting works, why does the current stop, is it because the 5V of push by the battery eventually dies?

I'm a little confused a help would be nice.
Thanks
 
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Because batteries aren't ideal voltage sources. When you model a battery you include a resistor called internal resistance, so basically when you short it all the voltage drops across that resistor.

The battery doesn't "run out" of electrons because every electron coming out will require an electron to go into the negative terminal. That's why when you make a battery electrochemically you need some sort of salt bridge or a porous disk to allow balance of charge.
 
vaunstone89 said:
...so why doesn't it run out of electron?...

Continuously supplied by the battery.

vaunstone89 said:
...why does the current stop, is it because the 5V of push by the battery eventually dies?...

Yes.
 
5V doesn't "die", we model "dyiing" batteries as increasing in internal resistance, so by the time you suck all the juice from your battery the IR will be like 4 Meg-ohms so even if you short the battery there will be approx no current in the wire.
 
thanks guys I got it. :)
 

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