Figuring out # of possible combos of 3

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of unordered combinations of three items from a set of 15. It explores the application of combinatorial mathematics, specifically the use of the binomial coefficient formula.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, MIH, presents a problem involving 15 items and seeks to determine the number of unordered combinations of three, suggesting the use of the binomial coefficient formula.
  • MIH calculates the combinations as {15!\over 3!12!} and expresses uncertainty about the correctness of this approach due to a lack of formal study in combinatorial mathematics.
  • Another participant, Halls, explains the reasoning behind the formula, detailing the selection process of items and the need to account for the order of selection by dividing by 3! to avoid overcounting permutations.
  • Halls confirms that the formula MIH used is indeed correct and provides a breakdown of the reasoning leading to it.

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Participants appear to agree on the application of the binomial coefficient formula for this problem, with no significant disagreement noted in the mathematical reasoning presented.

Contextual Notes

MIH expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the formula, indicating a potential limitation in their mathematical background. The discussion does not delve into deeper combinatorial concepts or alternative methods for solving the problem.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in combinatorial mathematics, particularly those looking to understand the calculation of combinations and the application of related formulas.

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A friend asked me this question, and I am not sure I know how to answer it:


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I have 15 items, and I want to figure out how many unordered combinations of three there are. Any ideas?

a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o

Example:
abc bcd cde
abd bce cdf
abe bcf cde
abf bcg cdg

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The way I think it can be done is using this formula:
[tex] {n\choose k}={n!\over k!(n-k)!}[/tex]

so you would have [tex]{15!\over 3!12!}[/tex] or 455 possible combinations.
But I am not really confident in this because I never studied this formula in a class - and I don't know if I am using it correctly.

Thanks!
-MIH
 
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Think about how you would choose such combinations. Start by choosing the first letter: there are 15 ways to do that. Now choose the second letter: 14 ways. Finally, choose the third letter: 13 ways. There are 15*14*13 ways. You could write that as 15*14*13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1/12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1= 15!/12!= 15!/(15-3)!

But that counts "abc" and "bac" as separate which you don't want to do. For each 3 letters there are 3! ways to get those same letters in different orders. To account for that, divide the answer above by 3!. That gives [tex]{15!\over 3!12!}[/tex]
exactly as you suggest. The same analysis for k objects chosen from n gives [tex]{n\choose k}[/tex] (which, in tex form is written "n choose k"!).
 
Thanks so much, Halls!
I appreciate you taking the time to show me how that works.
 
Hey does anyone know physics?
 
Sharayah, if you have a physics question, post in under General Physics, and create a New Thread.
 

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