What is the value of n for 1 km distance between seeing and hearing an event?

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The discussion revolves around determining the integer value of n in the context of measuring the time difference between seeing and hearing an event that occurs 1 km away. The problem involves the speeds of light and sound, and how they relate to the time taken for each to travel that distance.

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  • Participants explore calculations involving the speeds of light and sound, questioning the accuracy of their results and interpretations. Some suggest that the problem statement may be ambiguous, leading to different understandings of what is being asked regarding the relationship between time and distance.

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Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, with participants providing different calculations and questioning the clarity of the original question. Some guidance has been offered regarding rounding and the significance of the calculated values, but no consensus has been reached on the exact integer value of n.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the wording of the problem, which has led to varying interpretations among participants regarding the relationship between time and distance in the context of the event being measured.

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The speed of light is 3.0*10^8 m/s and the speed of sound is 340 m/s. Find the vaule of the interger n in the following statement:"If you start counting seconds when you see something happen and stop when you hear it happen, for every n seconds counted the event was about 1 km away."


Leong said:
[tex]\Delta t=t_{stop}-t_{start}[/tex]
[tex]\Delta t=s[\frac{1}{v_{sound}}-\frac{1}{v_{light}}][/tex]
For s = 1 km,
[tex]\Delta t=2.9s=3s[/tex]
n=3 s


but 3 is not the exact answer is it?

I'll show my calculation.

time take light to travel 1000 m is 1000/(3 *10^8) = a

Sound traveled a distance during that time 340 * a = 1/750 m

So sound should reach there when:

(1000-(1/750)/340 = 749 999/255000 s

so each n = 749 999/255000s for each km

shouldn't the integer be 749999 which happen at 255 km , unless 749999 is not prime...
 
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The value of the inverse of light speed is so much lower than the one of sound that your important digits are never touched by it. (this is a cheat, I know, but it works for checking the answer)

So ... for every second, the sound travels a third of kilometer. The number of second is approximately 3 times the distance in kilometers.
 
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Sound traveled a distance during that time 340 * a = 17/(15X10^3) m; then, n = 14999983 / 5100000 second for each km.
n=2.9 s = 3 s.

No, 3 s is not the exact anwer, the exact anwer is as above. but since the question comes with to find the integer n; then i round it to the closest integer.
 
Leong said:
needhelpperson,
Sound traveled a distance during that time 340 * a = 17/(15X10^3) m; then, n = 14999983 / 5100000 second for each km.
n=2.9 s = 3 s.

No, 3 s is not the exact anwer, the exact anwer is as above. but since the question comes with to find the integer n; then i round it to the closest integer.

look at it once more, 340 * a where a is the time for light to travel 1000 m.
And the question was kinda screwed up. "For every n seconds the event was 1 km away". It should've just said, The event happened 1000 km away during the n seconds. Because before, it sounded like we have to find an integer n where for every n seconds the event is 1 km farther.
 
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Sound traveled a distance during that time 340 * a =
[tex]340*\frac{10^3}{3*10^8}=\frac{34*10^4}{3*10^8}\\ =\frac{34}{3*10^4}\\=\frac{17}{15000}[/tex]

Yes, maybe we can say that the question is not clear enough because it makes two person to have two different understandings about it.
 

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