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The discussion revolves around various approximation methods and techniques for evaluating integrals, particularly focusing on integrals of polynomial expressions raised to high powers and non-elementary functions. Participants explore substitution methods, series solutions, and the use of integral tables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using substitution methods to transform integrals into forms that may be easier to evaluate, potentially involving hyperbolic trigonometric functions.
  • Another participant proposes a series solution for integrals like \(\int (x^2 + 1)^{40} dx\) by expanding it using binomial coefficients, although they express concern about the complexity of calculating these coefficients.
  • It is mentioned that leaving the integral as a series solution is acceptable, citing the example of \(\int e^{x^2} dx\) where no substitution exists.
  • One participant raises the idea of using trigonometric substitution and integral tables for evaluating complex integrals.
  • Another participant elaborates on the use of double integrals and polar coordinates to evaluate \(\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx\), discussing the transformation and limits involved in the process.
  • There is a mention of the lack of an elementary anti-derivative for \(e^{x^2}\), highlighting a broader point about the nature of anti-derivatives in general.

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Participants express various methods for approaching the evaluation of integrals, but there is no consensus on a single best method. Disagreements arise regarding the effectiveness of different techniques and the nature of certain integrals.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their approaches, such as the complexity of calculating binomial coefficients and the challenges posed by non-elementary functions. There is also mention of the need for limits when dealing with improper integrals.

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How do I find integrals like
[tex]\int_{a}^{b} \left( x^2 + 1 \right)^2 \ dx[/tex]. This one is easy, since I can just turn it into [tex]\int_{a}^{b} \left( x^4 + 2x^2 + 1 \right) \ dx[/tex]. But what if it would say [tex]\int_{a}^{b} \left( x^2 + 1 \right)^{40} \ dx[/tex]? What technique should I use?
 
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There are certain approximation methods that can be applied.
 
Or substituion methods to obtain a (possibly hyperbolic) trig integral. Often you'll end up with trying to integrate something that we can write as:

I(n) = int f(x)dx

where f( x) is some function of x, and the n indicates some exponent or coefficient (the 40 in your case), then doing something like integration by parts you'll end up with

I(n-1) + something= I(n)

and you get an iteration going that let's you figure out how to solve the integral.
 
I think you need to fix that latex.
 
Yeah, I tried to (and then I deleted my post before I noticed that you had replied to it. Doh). LaTeX doesn't seem to like the combination of an integral sign, sum sign and a binomial coefficient... Let's try again:

[tex]\int (x^2 + 1)^{40} dx = \int \sum^{40}_{k=0} C^{40}_{k} x^{2k} dx = \left( \sum^{40}_{k=0} \frac{C^{40}_{k}}{2k + 1} x^{2k + 1} \right) + D.[/tex]

Actually calculating those binomial coefficients is going to suck though :P
 
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Leaving it as a series solution is absolutely fine--- consider

[tex]\int e^{x^2} dx[/tex]

There is no substitution you can use, but you can use the general series form of e^x and plug in x^2 and then integrate the sum as a whole, and leave you answer as that.
 
this maybe silly, but wouldn't a trig sub then a integral table work for something like that?
 
try the trig substitution for the original problem, let
[tex]x = \tan(y)[/tex], then the portion in the parentheses becomes [tex]\sec(y)^2[/tex] from there you can make the substitutions and complete the integral. As for the [tex]e^{x^{2}}[/tex] over a finite interval, you have to use an integral table because it can only be done numerically, if the limits are infinite in extent, then the integral is [tex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex],
 
[tex]\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx = \frac{\sqrt \pi}{2}[/tex]
 
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Yes, but the theelectricchild's point was that there is no "elementary" anti-derivative for \[e^{x^2}\]. The sad fact is that the great majority (in a very specific sense, "almost all") of nice "elementary" functions, even though they have an anti-derivative, the anti-derivative is not an "elementary" function.
 
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Hehe its ok, that's one of the first places I have seen a "squareroot" of pi... its an integral you can actually solve using a double integration step.

[tex]\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx[/tex]

Convert to DI problem:

[tex]{(\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx)}^2[/tex]

[tex]=(\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx) (\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-y^2} dy)[/tex]

[tex]=\int_{0}^{\infty}\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2}e^{-y^2} dxdy[/tex]

[tex]=\int_{0}^{\infty}\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-{(x^2+y^2)}} dxdy[/tex]

From here using a Change of Variables step or noticing the region we are integrating is simply a semicircular arc, we can use polar coordinates:

[tex]=\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\int_{0}^{R} e^{-r^2}r drd\theta[/tex]

Where we take the limit of this as R --> infinity and the extra r in the integrand is from the Jacobian when switching to polar coordinates (proven in the change of variables theorem)

And NOW we can use a U-substitution to easily solve this iterated double integral:

[tex]{(\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx)}^2 = \frac{\pi}{4}[/tex]

So [tex]\int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx = \frac{\sqrt \pi}{2}[/tex]

It seems like we can solve quite a few "definite" or "improper" integrals of non elementary functions using multivar. calculus. Does anyone know any other methods? Thanks.
 
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I like integrating things.
 
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Where did the R come from again?
 
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Well taking an improper integral requires you to take the limit of the evaluated integral as some letter in place of infinity goes to it--- I didnt learn to do limits in TeX yet Ill show it later.
 

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