Finding Angle for Ball to be Thrown to Catch Woman

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The problem involves a ball being thrown from a cliff with an initial speed, while a woman runs away from the cliff at a constant speed. The objective is to determine the angle at which the ball should be thrown so that it can be caught by the woman. The context includes projectile motion and relative motion concepts.

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for both the ball and the woman, attempting to set their positions equal to find the angle of projection. There are questions about combining horizontal and vertical components and the implications of time in the equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on separating the horizontal and vertical components of motion. There is an ongoing exploration of the equations derived from the motion of the ball and the woman, with no explicit consensus reached on the next steps.

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Participants note the neglect of air resistance and the potential need for specific time values if the woman were positioned further from the cliff edge. There is also mention of confusion regarding the cancellation of terms in the equations.

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A ball is thrown from a bliff with an initial speed of 20m/s from the edge of a 45m high cliff. At the same time, a woman is running away from the cliff at a speed of 6m/s. She runs until she catches the ball. at what angle above the horizon should the ball be thrown so that she can catch ball.

I came up with a position function for the woman

[tex]V_{w} = 6t[/tex]

and set it equal to the vertical position function for the ball.



[tex]6t= 45+ 20sin(X)t -\frac{-9.8}{2}t^2[/tex]

I can't see where I go from here. I tried using quadratic but I didn't think I could combine the 6t and the 20sin(x)t, am I incorrect? How do I do it with 2 variables, the x and the t?
 
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You are mixing up horizontal and vertical components of the ball's position.
1. The ball reaches the ground when its vertical position is 0 (ground level)
This gives you an equation for the time used, expressed in terms of the angle.
2. At this time, the horizontal component of the position must equal the position of the woman.
Air resistance is neglected.
 
So . . .
1. This would be ... [tex]0= 45+ 20sin(X)t -\frac{9.8}{2}t^2[/tex] right?

2. [tex]6t = 20cos(x)t[/tex] right?

I understand that . . . but I don't see where to go. In equation 2, if I divide by 6t the t's cancel out and I get [tex]\frac{20cos(x)}{6} = 0[/tex]

Use quadratic to solve for the first equation and plug that into the 2nd?
 
merlinMan said:
So . . .
1. This would be ... [tex]0= 45+ 20sin(X)t -\frac{9.8}{2}t^2[/tex] right?

2. [tex]6t = 20cos(x)t[/tex] right?

I understand that . . . but I don't see where to go. In equation 2, if I divide by 6t the t's cancel out and I get [tex]\frac{20cos(x)}{6} = 0[/tex]

Use quadratic to solve for the first equation and plug that into the 2nd?
It should be:
[tex]\frac{20cos(x)}{6} = 1[/tex], i.e [tex]\cos(x)=\frac{6}{20}[/tex]
As it happened, it was unnecessary in this particular exercise to find the actual time value when the ball hits the ground.
If the woman had started some distance off the cliff edge, you would have needed the particular time value.
 
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