Vector and Free Fall Problem Solving

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems: one involving vector addition and the other concerning free fall motion. The first problem requires finding the magnitude and direction of a displacement vector given its resultant, while the second problem involves calculating the maximum height a diver reaches after jumping from a height above water.

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  • Participants explore the use of the Pythagorean theorem for vector addition and discuss the correct angle to find for the resultant vector. There is confusion regarding which angle to calculate and how to apply trigonometric functions. For the free fall problem, participants consider how to account for the initial height of the diver and the correct method to find the maximum height above water.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the angle calculation for the vector problem and suggested adding the initial height of the diver to the height he reaches above the board. There is acknowledgment of confusion and mistakes in calculations, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the correct approach for either problem.

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Participants note the challenge of working with multiple problems simultaneously and the potential for oversight in calculations. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions about the problems, particularly regarding the initial conditions of the diver's jump.

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Hi again,

My first question has to do with vectors again. But it's not hard. I just can't see my mistake.

The problem involves two displacement vectors. A which is 3.00km due south, and B which points due east. No value is given for B. However the resultant vector is 4.49km.

So of course I'm asked to find B and it's direction. So using Pythagorean's theorem of. R^2 = A^2 + B^2, I found B to be 3.34km. Which is correct. However here comes my problem. I know the direction of the resultant is east of south, but when trying to find theta I keep getting a wrong answer. I just don't understand what I did wrong. My answer for theta was 41.9 degrees but when I submit my answer, it is wrong. Where is my mistake?


Secondly, I have a free fall question..

Here is the problem: A diver springs upward with an initial speed of 1.8 m/s from a 5.0m board.

What is the higest point he reaches above the water?

So, I would know how to solve for this if the diver jumped off of the ground. Unfortunately the diver is already 5.0m above the water so my problem is I don't know how to solve this. LOL

I tried using the equation Y = V^2 - Vo^2 / 2a but my answer couldn't possibly be correct as it wouldn't make sense.

A little help and direction for both problems would be greatly appreciated.
 
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There are 2 different angles you could be solving for. Make sure you are finding the right one, and remember that the sum of these two angles will be 90 degrees.

For the second problem, if you solve for the height the diver goes above the board, you would just have to add 5 meters to get his total height above the water.
 
If [tex]\vec{B}[/tex] is pointing East, then it has an angle of 0 degrees, or are they asking you for [tex]\vec{R}[/tex] direction?

On your second problem:

Here is the problem: A diver springs upward with an initial speed of 1.8 m/s from a 5.0m board.

What is the higest point he reaches above the water?

So, I would know how to solve for this if the diver jumped off of the ground. Unfortunately the diver is already 5.0m above the water so my problem is I don't know how to solve this. LOL

My english is not that great, but your interpretation of he is 5 meters above the water already... then why don't you add the distance he will go up when he goes in Free Fall.

Info:
[tex]A = -9.8 m/s^2 (-g)[/tex]
[tex]V_{o} = 1.8 m/s[/tex]
[tex]V = 0[/tex] His final speed becomes 0 when he cannot keep going up and he will be at max height.

Using the Equation
[tex]V^2 = V_{o}^2 + 2A(Y - Y_{o})[/tex]
[tex]0 = V_{o}^2 - 2gY[/tex] We put the origin on the board so initial position is 0
[tex]Y = \frac{V_{o}^2}{2g}[/tex]

so Y + 5 is the total distance above the water.
 
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In the first problem, you have a right triangle with one leg of length 3 and hypotenuse of length 4.49. Yes, by the Pythagorean theorem the other leg has length (approximately) of 3.34. You can find the angle by using cos(θ)= 3/4.49. I get θ= 48.1 degrees (east of south), not 41.9.

"So, I would know how to solve for this if the diver jumped off of the ground. Unfortunately the diver is already 5.0m above the water so my problem is I don't know how to solve this. LOL "

Okay, so how about calculating how high the diver went from his initial position (which you say you can find) and then add 5m?
 
The question is asking for the angle of the [tex]\vec{R}[/tex] direction. I've tried finding the answer with cos, tan, and sin and have gotten the same answer with all three methods. I'll try again, perhaps I have been just looking at it too long.

Oh my God. I think I need to stop with this homework for tonight, if I couldn't figure out just adding the 5m to my answer. I cannot believe that I didn't think of that.

Thank you both for your help.
 
Thanks HallsofIvy... I've been working on about 11 different problems today, all day. I still don't have them all finished but it's late and I feel really stupid for not just thinking to add the 5m.

That could also account for why I kept getting the wrong answer for my first problem. I realized that everytime I was using the same numbers but in opposite postions. I think maybe I should just walk away from these problems for awhile, and then come back to it with fresh eyes and maybe then I can spot my own errors.
 

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