Authority of internationally recognized states

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This discussion centers on the legitimacy of authority held by internationally recognized states compared to informal groups. Participants argue that legitimacy stems from the ability of a governing body to demonstrate positive agendas and actions that enhance societal well-being. The conversation highlights the importance of personal agency in recognizing authority, suggesting that individuals grant authority based on perceived benefits and moral standards. Ultimately, the consensus is that authority is conditional and can be revoked if it fails to meet the expectations of the governed.

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Do you consider internationally recognised states as legitimate authority? If so, why? If not, why not?

Do you consider any other bunch of individuals legitimate authorities? If so, why? If not, why not?

What exactly does it take for some group of people to be recognised, by you, as having authority over you?

A recognised state usually has police, an army, and mountains of paperwork which you accept as part of your life. Why is such an organisation more legitimate than, for example, a bunch of guys running around in the jungles of Borneo with guns and a leader? Or is it? Is it merely that one has a larger rate of acceptance as authority?
 
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Adam said:
What exactly does it take for some group of people to be recognised, by you, as having authority over you?

Ill let some group have authority(over me) so long as they demonstrate, on-average, positive (and moral) agendas and actions that show their reasoning and logic lead to advancement in efficiency, productivity, well-being, and satisfaction.
 
bottom line the only authority you must obey is yourself. i know that's easier said then done. but,

if i belong to this forum, i grant them the authority to set the rules in exchange for the benefit of having the forum. if, at any time, i felt that i would be compromized, i would raise the issue in a calm, non-confrontational manner, and if i didn't like the result (compromize) i would leave the list. incidentally, i have done that at yahoo group when the list moderator would not accept ideas about freewill.

we also have the same with all areas of our lives, more or less. yes, we grant the police authority over us as a convience for social order. if, however, i found this moving toward a police state, i would have to take action. my sanity, self-respect, and freedom are more important than the order the the police state would provide.

whether in the wild jungles or city jungles, the same equation exists.

love&peace,
olde drunk
 

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