Using the Galilean transformation and classical velocity addition

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The discussion revolves around the application of Galilean transformation and classical velocity addition to analyze momentum conservation in different reference frames, specifically comparing an observer on the ground with one on a moving train during a collision between two particles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the conservation of momentum from the perspective of a train moving alongside a collision. They express confusion regarding the terms in their derived equation and seek clarification on whether their expression has significance.

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Participants are engaging in a back-and-forth regarding the mathematical expressions derived from the momentum conservation equations. Some suggest rearranging terms to clarify the relationship between the velocities, while others confirm the validity of the expressions presented. There is a focus on ensuring that the classical velocity addition is correctly applied.

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There is an assumption that momentum is conserved in all frames, and the discussion is constrained by the need to apply classical mechanics principles without delving into relativistic effects.

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My problem is this:

Let's say momentum is conserved in all frames...
An observer on the ground observes two paticles with masses m1 and m2 and finds upon measurement that momentum is conserved. Use classical velocity addition to prove that momentum is conserved if the observer is on a train passing by alongside this collision.

so assume this

--------------(m2)---><------------(m1)----
<------------------Train moves in this direction
Let the initial velocity denoted as u
and final velocity as v
so if the observer is on the ground stationary

he wil see

m1u1 + m2u2 = m1v1 + m2v2

From the train
for m1 velocity is u1 - vt (where vt is velocty of train)
for m2 velocity is u2 + vt

then m1(u1-vt)+m2(u2+vt)
=m1u1 - m1vt + m2vt + m2u2 + m2vt
= m1u1 + m2u2 - m1vt + m2vt
= m1v1 + m2v2 - m1vt + m2vt

and this is where i am stuck... did i do something wrong here? or is that expression - m1vt + m2vt supposed to mean something?

Please do help
 
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m1(v1-vt)+m2(v2+vt)

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TenaliRaman said:
m1(v1-vt)+m2(v2+vt)

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that's the answer isn't it?

that v1-vt represents the speed of the ball with respect to the train after it collides and it makes no different because the velocity addition applies here too, right?
 
Yes, that's what TenaliRaman was saying:

You arrived at
m1(u1-vt)+m2(u2+vt)= m1v1 + m2v2 - m1vt + m2vt
Now do a little rearranging on the right:
= m1v1- m1vt+ m2v2+ m2vt
= m1(v1- vt)+ m2(v2+ vt),
showing conservation of momentum.
 

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