Help with proof of the uniqueness of limits.

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The discussion revolves around proving the uniqueness of limits in calculus, specifically addressing the question of whether all limits are unique. Participants explore various approaches to constructing a proof, including delta-epsilon arguments and intuitive explanations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof attempting to show that if two limits L and M are assumed to be different, it leads to a contradiction, concluding that L must equal M.
  • Another participant suggests that the proof could be simplified using a conceptual argument about intervals, stating that if L and M are distinct, their corresponding intervals would be disjoint, which contradicts the nature of limits.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of epsilon in the argument, proposing that it is only needed to describe the size of the intervals centered at L and M.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the implications of using ≤ versus < in delta-epsilon proofs, questioning whether it affects the conclusion that |L-M| must equal 0.
  • Another participant raises a question regarding the validity of certain statements about limits being zero under specific conditions, prompting further exploration of the implications of those conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to the proof, and multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity of epsilon and the implications of using ≤ versus < in the context of limits.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of limits and the definitions used in the proof are not explicitly stated, which may affect the interpretation of the arguments presented. The discussion also reflects varying levels of comfort with delta-epsilon proofs among participants.

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Good evening,
I am a first year engineer here and a first time poster also.

I had a problem that has been bugging me for the last few days; after much head-scratching and tree-killing, I may have solved it. I am, however, not sure at all if all my assumptions along the way are correct. So I am here to seek wisdom.

The question deals with proving the uniqueness of limits.

Prove that all limits are unique.

The textbook got me started, it said to define
[tex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x) = L[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x) = M[/tex]

Assume [itex]L \neq M[/itex] and let [itex]\frac{|L - M|}{3} = \epsilon[/itex]

So here goes my proof..

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> &|L-M| = |L -M + f(x) - f(x)| = |(L-f(x)) + (f(x) - M)| \\<br /> &|L-M| \leq |-1||f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M| = |f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M|<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

So by definition..
[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> 0 \leq |x-a| \leq \delta (\epsilon) \implies \substack{|f(x) - L| \leq \epsilon \\ and \\ |f(x) - M| \leq \epsilon} \\<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]
[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> \therefore |L-M| &\leq 2\epsilon \\<br /> |L-M| + \epsilon &\leq 3\epsilon \\<br /> |L-M| + \epsilon &\leq 3 \left(\frac{|L-M|}{3}\right) \\<br /> |L-M| + \epsilon &\leq |L-M|<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Which can not possibly be true, so I conclude that our initial assumption [itex]L \neq M[/itex] was false, and therefore L must equal M.

Is this not the way to answering the question? If not, how should I look at this problem? What should I have done differently? What other approaches should I take?

(Side note... I REALLY hate delta-epsilon proofs..)
 
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"So I am here to seek wisdom."
Seek and ye shall receive! (Welcome to PF!)
Yep, you've got it.
Nope, those proofs are cuties..
 
So this is "hand-in"able? :P

Thanks for the timely reply, by the way.
 
It is much easier in words. i.e. if L is the limit of f(x) as x approaches a, then the inverse image of every interval centered at L contains a punctured interval centered at a. same for M. But this is a contradiction if Ldoes not equal M, since then L,M are centers of disjoint intervals whose inverse images are thus disjoint. But no two punctured intervals centered at a are disjoint.

the only place epsilon is needed is to describe the size of the disjoint intervals centered at L,M, namely |L-M|/3.
 
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Alright, this also makes sense, doesn't it?

We ignore the assumption [tex]L \neq M[/itex] and [tex]\epsilon = \frac{|L-M|}{3}[/itex]<br /> [tex] \begin{align*}<br /> &|L-M| = |L -M + f(x) - f(x)| = |(L-f(x)) + (f(x) - M)| \\<br /> &|L-M| \leq |-1||f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M| = |f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M| \\<br /> &|L-M| \leq |f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M|<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]<br /> [tex] \therefore |L-M| \leq 2\epsilon[/tex]<br /> <br /> And since [itex]\epsilon[/itex] is can be as arbitrarily small as we want it to be, [itex]L-M[/itex] must equal 0. Is this also correct? <br /> <br /> Side note: When using [itex]\delta - \epsilon[/itex] proofs, do we use [itex]\leq[/itex] or [itex]<[/itex], or does it not matter? My prof uses the former, and the textbook uses the latter.<br /> <br /> Can I still assume [itex]|L-M| = 0[/itex] if I use [itex]\leq[/itex] ? Or do I have to have it strictly less than [itex]\epsilon[/itex]?[/tex][/tex]
 
that looks nice. as to your question, ask your self: is it true that if L is such that
0<= L <= a, for all positive a, then L is zero?

also: is it true that if L is such that
0<= L > a, for all positive a, then L is zero?
 
If by the second statement you meant [itex]0 \leq L < a[/itex] then yeah, I guess they are equivalent statements.

Thank you for your help.
 
right you are
 

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