Easy physics thinking question (conservation of momentum)

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The discussion revolves around the application of conservation of momentum in a scenario involving two football players colliding at midfield. Participants are evaluating the conditions under which momentum conservation can be applied, considering factors like system isolation and external forces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the validity of different answer choices regarding the application of conservation of momentum, questioning the implications of system isolation and external forces. Some express confusion over the necessity of knowing the players' masses, while others argue about the nature of the collision and external influences like friction and air resistance.

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The discussion is active, with participants presenting differing viewpoints on the correct answer. Some suggest that conservation of momentum does apply in this scenario, while others challenge this notion based on the conditions described. There is no clear consensus, but multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants note the lack of numerical information regarding the players' masses and the implications of external forces acting on the system, which are central to the discussion of momentum conservation.

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Two football players run into each other at midfield. We can (or cannot) realistically apply conservation of momentum to calculate the players' velocities just after the impact because

A. The system of interest floats in space.
B. The players are functionally isolated.
C. We can treat the interaction as a collision.
D. Conservation of momentum does not apply here.

I said D because we do not know the masses of the players. Does that sound reasonable/logical/rational?
 
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D is correct, but it not because you don't know there masses (Where does the problem say you don't? It doesn't give any numerical information!). This is not a "closed system" because the players can apply force to the earth.
 
My physics teacher just told me the answer was C. Something to do with you know there not in space and there headed for each other. You know there's a collision and transfer of momentum. Therefore, it fits the conservation of momentum model. Something along these lines...
 
airkapp said:
My physics teacher just told me the answer was C. Something to do with you know there not in space and there headed for each other. You know there's a collision and transfer of momentum. Therefore, it fits the conservation of momentum model. Something along these lines...

WEll ok look at your choices:

A) WEll there certainly aren't in space, and in sapce conservation of momentum applies especially well, so NO.

B) Functional isolation is absurd (because i can't give you a good reason why not)I'm guessing because they actually come in contact that the isolation part doesn't quite work.

D) Conservation of momentum does apply here, whoever said that on Earth when two bodies collide, that conservatoin of momentum does not apply. Factor in friction, air resistance, and you would have an answer given some data

C) WEll i eliminated everything else didn't I? This is almost like the opposite of D and when you take all those factors into account it is a conservation of momentum question.
 

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