Is Every Element of a Sigma-Algebra Generated by a Countable Subcollection?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of sigma-algebras, specifically whether every element of a sigma-algebra generated by a collection of sets can be represented by a countable subcollection of that collection. The conversation includes definitions, analogies, and challenges regarding the foundational aspects of sigma-algebras.

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  • One participant states that for any element E in the sigma-algebra generated by a collection C, there exists a countable subcollection C_0 such that E is in the sigma-algebra generated by C_0.
  • Another participant suggests recalling the definition of a sigma-algebra, drawing an analogy to polynomial rings and emphasizing the role of finite subsets in generating elements.
  • A participant provides a definition of a sigma-algebra, noting the inclusion of the empty set, closure under complements, and closure under unions of sets.
  • One participant questions the correctness of the provided definition, suggesting that there may be a countability assumption regarding unions that is not addressed.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of sigma-algebras and the implications of countability, indicating that there is no consensus on the correctness of the definitions or the original claim regarding countable subcollections.

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There is uncertainty regarding the completeness of the definitions provided, particularly concerning the countability assumption in the context of unions within sigma-algebras.

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Here's what it says:

"Let C be a collection of sets & E an element in the sigma-algebra generated by C. Then there is a countable subcollection C_0 contained in C such that E is an element of the sigma-algebra A_0 generated by C_0."
 
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i suggest recalling the definition of a sigma algebra.

i.e. for analogy, if A is a polynomial ring generated by a set S, and E is an element of A, then there is a finite subset T of S such that E belongs to the polynomial algebra generated by T.
 
here's my definition:
i) empty set is in C
ii) if a set is in C then so is its complement
iii) if a collection of sets is in C then so is the union of all those sets

i guess with de morgan's laws intersections of sets are also in there, but I'm not sure how that helps.
 
well it has been over 4 decades for me, but i do not recall your dfiniton as being corrct for sigma algebras. I think there is a countability assumption in there on those unions.

you might check it. yeah, here is what I googled up:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Sigma-Algebra.html
 

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