What is the General Solution to a Differential Equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around finding the general solution to a specific first-order differential equation: [x + 1]dy - [x^2 - y - 1]dx = 0. Participants explore various methods for solving the equation, including rearranging, integrating factors, and partial derivatives, while also expressing uncertainties and challenges encountered in the process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help in finding the general solution to the differential equation.
  • Another participant suggests finding an integrating factor but does not provide a specific solution.
  • A different participant rearranges the equation to dy/dx = (x^2 - y - 1) / (x + 1) and notes that it appears non-homogeneous due to the presence of the term 1/x.
  • One participant proposes a function f(x, y) and attempts to express the equation in terms of total differentials, but acknowledges uncertainty about their results.
  • Another participant references a textbook solution for the equation, indicating a potential discrepancy with previous contributions.
  • A participant admits to an error in their earlier function and clarifies their approach to finding a function f(x, y) that satisfies the partial derivatives.
  • One participant expresses a desire to solve the equation without using partial derivatives, mentioning the methods covered in their textbook.
  • A participant thanks others for their contributions, indicating a collaborative atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the solution to the differential equation, with multiple methods and interpretations presented. Some participants express uncertainty about their approaches, while others reference differing solutions from textbooks.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their understanding of integrating factors and partial derivatives, and there is mention of specific methods covered in a textbook that may restrict the approaches available to some participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about first-order differential equations, particularly those exploring various methods for solving such equations and those encountering challenges with integrating factors and partial derivatives.

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Hello,

I'm having troubles finding the general solution to the following differential equation:

[x + 1]dy - [x^2 - y - 1]dx = 0

Any help would be great,

Cheers.
 
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Can you find an integrating factor?
 
No. I re-arrange the equation to dy/dx = (x^2 - y - 1 ) / (x + 1) and then dividing through by the highest power of x I obtain: (1 - y/x^2 - 1/x^2) / (1/ x + 1 / x^2)
which indicates that it is non-homogenous as the term 1/x is not of the form (y/x)^n. I cannot move any futher. ;(
 
If
[tex]f(x, y) = \frac {1}{3} x^3 - (x+1) y[/tex]
then your equation becomes
[tex]\frac {\partial f}{\partial x} dx + \frac {\partial f}{\partial y} dy = df = 0[/tex]
if I did that correctly. It's late - check my results!
 
I'm not quite sure what you've done? According to my textbook the correct answer is: y = (x^3 - 3x + c) / 3(x + 1).

By the way, how did you insert those images to represent mathematical symbols??
 
Oops! Yes, I left out the -x term in the numerator I wrote for f.

I simply found a function f(x, y) such that
[tex]\frac {\partial f}{\partial x} = x^2 - y - 1[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac {\partial f}{\partial y} = -x -1[/tex]
and this gives the same answer as the text.

Click on one of the equations here and download the pdf file linked in the popup to find out how to make the equations.
 
splitendz said:
Hello,

I'm having troubles finding the general solution to the following differential equation:

[x + 1]dy - [x^2 - y - 1]dx = 0

Any help would be great,

Cheers.
Hmm I'll give it a quick try before I go to lessons:

[tex](x+1) \frac{dy}{dx} - x^2 + y + 1 = 0[/tex]

[tex](x+1) \frac{dy}{dx} + y = x^2 - 1[/tex]

Note here we need not bother with the integrating factor as it is alread of the form vu' + v'u

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} [(x + 1)y] = x^2 - 1[/tex]

[tex](x + 1) y = \int x^2 - 1 dx[/tex]

I don't think I need to go any further? I may of made a mistake but I need to rush of to lessons.
 
Thanks. Is there any other method for solving this type of question without using partial derivatives? I've never covered them before.

I think the point of this exercise that I'm working through is to test the students knowledge of first order differential equations by using only the provided textbook methods for variable separable equations, initial value problems, homogeneous equations, and linear first order equations... Briefly the methods covered are: solving a D.E by separating the variables and then integrating OR making the substitution v = y/x for D.E's in the form dy/dx = F[y/x] OR finding the integrating factor for D.E's in the form dy/dx + p[x]y = q[x].

Thanks again :)
 
Thanks a lot guys :)
 

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