Math Triangle-inequality problem

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The discussion revolves around proving the triangle inequality for real numbers, specifically the relationship involving absolute values: | |x|-|y| | <= |x+y| <= |x| + |y|. Participants explore various properties of absolute values and inequalities in their attempts to establish this proof.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using properties of absolute values, including cases for positive and negative values of x and y. There is mention of considering different approaches, such as using trigonometry or examining specific cases to prove the inequality.

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Some participants have shared initial thoughts and approaches, while others express uncertainty about the validity of using the triangle inequality in their proof. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary steps and properties needed to establish the proof without reaching a consensus.

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Participants question whether the triangle inequality can be used in the proof, indicating a potential constraint in their approach. There is also a recognition of the need to consider multiple cases based on the signs of x and y.

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prove that for any real values of x,y
| |x|-|y| | <= |x+y| <= |x| + |y|
 
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Well try using these properties :

1) |x| <= a then -a <= x <= a
2) in order to loose the ||-signs make a distinction for |x| when x > 0 and x < 0
If x > 0 then |x| = x
if x < 0 then |x| = -x
3) Triangle-inequality : |x| - |y| <= |x + y| <= |x| + |y|

I am not saying you will need all this properties, only some of them will do to make your proof. How would you start ? You have all the necessary "ingredients" when it comes to the ||-properties

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marlon
good luck
 
ok i think i got it now
| |x|-|y| | <= |x+y| <= |x|+|y|

ill mark |x+y| as "a"

| |x|-|y| | <= a
then
|x|-|y| <= a
which gives
|x|-|y| <= |x+y| <= |x|+|y|
and by triangle inequality we can see that this statement is correct.

thanks for your help i completely forgot those inequality rules :smile:
 
The question is basically asking you to prove the triangle inequality.

I doubt that you'd be allowed to used the triangle inequality to prove the same.

You can prove it either by considering the 4 cases where x and y are positive and negative reals, or using trigonometry (cosine rule) to prove it in the general case of complex numbers, which would automatically make it true in the reals.
 
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Good point by Gokul...

Can you use the triangle identity yes or no? If not, there is a nice way to prove the triangle-identity but it is usually given as theory...there different proofs of different levels using different "kinds" of math

marlon
 
im pretty sure I am allowed to use it but in any case i know how to prove it thank you guys :smile:
 
| |x|-|y| | <= a
then
|x|-|y| <= a
which gives
|x|-|y| <= |x+y| <= |x|+|y|

You've done things backwards! You used | |x|-|y| | <= a to prove |x|-|y| <= |x+y|, but your goal was to prove | |x|-|y| | <= a, not |x|-|y| <= |x+y|.
 

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