Will the Coming Unified Theory Transform Science and Spirituality?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a coming unified theory in physics and its potential implications for both science and spirituality. Participants explore various aspects of this theory, including its mathematical nature, development, acceptance within the physics community, and its broader philosophical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the coming unified theory will be a mathematical theory that does not rely on highly advanced mathematics, suggesting that such knowledge may hinder understanding.
  • There is a viewpoint that the theory will be developed by someone outside the traditional physics community, as the community has not succeeded in producing a unified theory despite significant effort.
  • Concerns are raised that many in the physics community may reject the theory due to its divergence from conventional understanding, leading to speculation about the future relevance of science.
  • Some argue that the theory could signify a transition from an industrial age to a more spiritually inclined era, merging scientific and spiritual perspectives.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of understanding the theory's implications for humanity, emphasizing the need for both poetic and mathematical abilities.
  • There are claims that the theory will not be communicated through conventional means, with suggestions that it may involve prophetic methods.
  • Some assert that there are individuals who possess knowledge of the theory but are reluctant to share it, believing it is accessible to those with the right mindset and background.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the validity of certain philosophical propositions related to existence, suggesting they represent an abuse of logic.
  • Another participant critiques the notion that the theory will be less mathematically complex than existing theories, arguing that it must encompass current theories as special cases.
  • There is a challenge to the idea that the theory will be developed by outsiders, comparing it to a flawed analogy about climbing a mountain.
  • Some participants question the prophetic claims made about the theory's implications and the manner of its communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the nature of the unified theory, its development, or its implications for science and spirituality. Disagreements arise regarding the mathematical complexity of the theory, the role of the physics community, and the validity of certain philosophical statements.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of knowledge and belief, while others depend on definitions of mathematics and spirituality. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives without resolving the underlying uncertainties.

Bariyon
What are we able to say about the coming unified theory? Here are some of my thoughts.

1. It will be a mathematical theory, but will not make use of highly advanced mathematics. Indeed, knowledge of highly advanced mathematics may be an impediment to its understanding.

2. It will be developed by an outsider to the physics community. After all, physics has had over a century to produce a unified theory, and has failed, not for lack of intellect.

3. Many in the physics community will reject the theory, because it will differ from conventional understanding. It is questionable whether science will be able to accommodate the coming changes. Science may become an outdated institution, left in the wake of progress.

4. Indeed the coming unified theory will mark the end of the "industrial" age and the beginning of an age which is more spiritually inclined.

5. The main challenge will be understanding its implications at the human level. In this sense, it will represent a coming together of science and spirituality. Its understanding and implementation will require poetic ability as well as mathematical ability.

6. The coming theory will not be communicated using conventional means. The communicators will be well versed in prophetic methods.

7. There are people alive on the planet at this moment who know the details of the theory, but have little intention of communicating it openly. They are aware that the theory is available to anyone who has a sincere desire to know it, and a suitable background in mathematics/physics.

8. The main impediment facing people is not lack of intelligence, knowledge or status, but lack of belief in oneself.
 
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What do you think of the following sentences?

1) Nothing exists!

2) I believe that nothing exists

3) It is possible that nothing may exist afterall.

3) I see, hear, smell and feel nothing, I believe that this is the case, therefore, I know that nothing exists.

Spooky...aren't they? Well, these are all class a-propositions and don't be surprised if you come across them in some wacky philosophical texts. For me, this is frankly an abuse of logic.

Strange claims like these ones were the very things that kick-started Decartes on the project of restoring certainty of reality, if not to the world, at least to himself.
 
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Bariyon said:
What are we able to say about the coming unified theory? Here are some of my thoughts.

1. It will be a mathematical theory, but will not make use of highly advanced mathematics. Indeed, knowledge of highly advanced mathematics may be an impediment to its understanding.

2. It will be developed by an outsider to the physics community. After all, physics has had over a century to produce a unified theory, and has failed, not for lack of intellect.

3. Many in the physics community will reject the theory, because it will differ from conventional understanding. It is questionable whether science will be able to accommodate the coming changes. Science may become an outdated institution, left in the wake of progress.

4. Indeed the coming unified theory will mark the end of the "industrial" age and the beginning of an age which is more spiritually inclined.

5. The main challenge will be understanding its implications at the human level. In this sense, it will represent a coming together of science and spirituality. Its understanding and implementation will require poetic ability as well as mathematical ability.

6. The coming theory will not be communicated using conventional means. The communicators will be well versed in prophetic methods.

7. There are people alive on the planet at this moment who know the details of the theory, but have little intention of communicating it openly. They are aware that the theory is available to anyone who has a sincere desire to know it, and a suitable background in mathematics/physics.

8. The main impediment facing people is not lack of intelligence, knowledge or status, but lack of belief in oneself.

If you think this way, then you should be a philocrat. This is a member of a system devoid of lines that divide institutions. In Philocracy science and religion live and contribute to the world in harmony. But I must warn you, this is a system that places things and institutions into logically consistent relations. Can you be one?
 
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Positing #2 was not meant for this thread ...sorry1
 
Philocrat said:
What do you think of the following sentences?

1) Nothing exists!

2) I believe that nothing exists

3) It is possible that nothing may exist afterall.

3) I see, hear, smell and feel nothing, I believe that this is the case, therefore, I know that nothing exists.

Spooky...aren't they? Well, these are all class a-propositions and don't be surprised if you come across them in some wacky philosophical texts. For me, this is frankly an abuse of logic.

Strange claims like these ones were the very things that kick-started Decartes on the project of restoring certainty of reality, if not to the world, at least to himself.

Hmmm. How did sentences like these play any role either in Descartes' "Method" or "Meditations". He certainly doesn't mention any sentences like these playing a motivational role in his skeptical inquiry.
 
How simple is this ?

If strings are the things that tie everything together and they exist in the 11th dimension as a sea of basic strings that have yet to be given form then we as a membraned bubble universe are traveling thru it and redefining the strings to our 3d perceived physically based universe and as we pass over them they revert back to their natural state and so it is for every universe that passes over them the difference being the rate of vibration for each universe affecting what the strings become.

so nothing is the name given to that which exists but hasn't yet been given form

thanx for listening
 
oh yeah, and how do I know I'm right ?

I think >> I feel >> I believe >> I know >>I AM...right

an improvement on descartes don't you think ?

Hey Bariyon...

Where bouts in NZ are you ? I'm in Christchurch but I get around maybe we could hook up for a coffee and a chat

peace
 
Bariyon said:
1. It will be a mathematical theory, but will not make use of highly advanced mathematics. Indeed, knowledge of highly advanced mathematics may be an impediment to its understanding.

On what basis do you make this claim? The theory will have to be at least as advanced mathematically as existing theories, because it will have to include them as special cases. Don't forget that existing theories are correct in their respective domains of applicability. That won't change with new discoveries.

2. It will be developed by an outsider to the physics community. After all, physics has had over a century to produce a unified theory, and has failed, not for lack of intellect.

That's about as rational as saying that "The peak of Mt. Everest will be reached by some guy standing on the ground, and not the guy who is already half way up the mountain. After all, the guy who is half way up has tried, and failed, not for lack of physical ability."

3. Many in the physics community will reject the theory, because it will differ from conventional understanding. It is questionable whether science will be able to accommodate the coming changes. Science may become an outdated institution, left in the wake of progress.

If it predicts experimental results then it won't be rejected.

4. Indeed the coming unified theory will mark the end of the "industrial" age and the beginning of an age which is more spiritually inclined.

Are you a prophet now? A fortune teller perhaps?

6. The coming theory will not be communicated using conventional means. The communicators will be well versed in prophetic methods.

I guess you are. :rolleyes:

Bariyon, you do realize that what you've posted here is not philosophy, don't you? Sorry, but this meets the very definition of "overly speculative posts" that we have recently announced we aren't willing to host any more.
 

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