How Does a Mirror Reflect Light at the Atomic Level?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms of light reflection at the atomic level, particularly how mirrors reflect light. Participants explore the interaction between electromagnetic radiation and matter, the role of mobile electrons in metals, and the preservation of the angle of reflection. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects, with references to quantum mechanics and classical physics.

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  • Marcel Wirth questions the atomic interactions involved in light reflection and whether electron level changes can maintain the angle of reflection.
  • Some participants propose that mirrors reflect light due to the abundance of mobile electrons in metals, which respond quickly to electromagnetic fields, generating reflected waves.
  • One participant mentions that the wavelength of visible light is large compared to the microscopic irregularities of a polished metal surface, which helps average out these irregularities.
  • Another participant describes the process where a photon transfers energy to an atom, causing the atom to re-emit a photon of the same frequency, appearing as reflected light.
  • Discussion includes the concept of plasma frequency, noting that mirrors do not reflect ultraviolet light due to the limitations of electron response at certain frequencies.
  • Tom seeks clarification on how photons conserve the angle of reflection, suggesting that momentum conservation might play a role, while others provide mathematical insights into boundary conditions for incident and reflected waves.
  • Some participants reference Feynman's lectures and books for deeper understanding of the phenomena discussed.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of reflection, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how angle conservation occurs or the underlying reasons for the behavior of light at the atomic level. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present in the discussion.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of the topic, with some mathematical steps and assumptions remaining unresolved. The discussion touches on quantum mechanics and classical physics without fully reconciling the two perspectives.

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Sure, everyone knows that the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflexion.
My question is rather aimed at the atomic level.
What is the interaction between electromagnetic radiation and matter? Why can a layer of metal (a mirror) reflect light? Does the interaction occur at the electron sheath? Can electron level changes be responsible? (I think not, how could the angle be preserved?)
Would an electric field achieve the same? (Never heard of it, never seen it.)

I asked a few fellow students this question, but no one could answer it. (No, it's not some kind of homework, we don't have physics any more. It's just my personal interest.)
I couldn't find anything useful on the web either, as all pages seem to focus on the macroscopic level.

I would appreciate any kind of answer, links to web pages, or whatever.

Greetings

Marcel Wirth
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Mirrors work generally because they are metallic and great conductors which means an abundance of mobile electrons. Since there are so many of them they respond VERY quickly to applied electromagnetic fields and they do it in such as way as to counteract the applied field. In other words, they generate their own electromagnetic fields equal and opposite to the applied field internal to the conductor and external to the conductor we see it as a reflected wave.
 
in these great lectures, you can see Feynman explaining (among other things) how a mirror works:

http://www.vega.org.uk/series/lectures/feynman/index.php
 
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I think that answering the question, Why it works? is difficult than, How it works?
I think, we are little bit pre-mature to answer questions why things work? this is biggest question in front of us is Why are we here?
 
Another important point is that the wavelength of visible light is large compared with the microscopic surface irregularities of a highly polished metal sheet. This tends to average out the irregularities
 
Basically when a photon strikes the polished surface its energy is transferred to the atam with which it strikes obviously electron will gain this energy but it tends to loose this energy as soon as possible hence it eject a photon of same frequency, which appeared to be reflected light.
 
Thank you very much for your answers!

I'll have to read more about the interaction with mobile electrons, but now at least I know what to look for.

The Feynman lectures will take some time, because there are four of them, but I think it will be worth it.
 
Mirror only works for certain range of frequency/wavelength. It doens't work at ultraviolet region. This has to do with the frequency (plasma frequency) in which free charge in conductor responds to oscillation (light). Below this frequency, the electron can respond fast enough that it generate its own e/m wave to damp out any propagation in metal. The wave in hence reflected (to conserve energy?). Light actually do penetrates metal a little bit, the so called "skin depth". Above this plasma frequency, the electron can not responds fast enough anymore. The wave is then partially propagated just like in dielectric. (This is the Drude model, which ignore a lot of feature, such as metal lattice, but it works extremely well against experiment).

It so happens that the plasma frequency for metal is in the ultra-violet region, so anything below that (visible) is reflected...For dielectric, the frequency is in the infrared region (correct me if I am wrong), which is (kind of) why glass is transparent.
 
The best reflection you can have is complete internal reflection. How much difference does this have to your standard mirror?
 
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mwirth said:
Thank you very much for your answers!

I'll have to read more about the interaction with mobile electrons, but now at least I know what to look for.

The Feynman lectures will take some time, because there are four of them, but I think it will be worth it.

You really ought to read Feynman's book QED. It will explain pretty much all that you want to know, in four 'simple' chapters!
 
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would anyone mind giving me a quick lesson on how the photons conserve the angle of reflection... as far as i can tell it wasnt answered here. (maybe i missed it)

the only answer i can guess at is that maybe we have to take into acount the momentum of the whole object (mirror). when a photon approaches a mirror it is approaching the outer layer of atoms. these atoms have electrons orbiting (duh!). these electrons then absorb the energy of the photon and (as all matter does) re-emits it. the reason for the re-emission of photons (remember: packets of energy!) is that these electron cannot maintain this higher energy level and must discard this amount of energy, the smallest unit of energy known to exist, in the form of EM radiation. although the light will be re-emitted at a lower energy level (shorter wavlength EMR) as some of the energy will get transferred to other atoms via the momentary dncreased repulsion between the nucleus and the electrons new energy level. this newly obtained momentum will instantaneously be transfed around the matter i.e. heating the molecules in the form of increasing internal kinetic energy.

I know this summary is long winded but i need to show the holes in my knowledge ;)

Now... the only way i can see for angle to be preserved is the preservation of momentum of the whole system (photons and mirror). i know that in quantum theory photons have momentum (although with no mass this seems weird to me).

Is this theory correct of completely off the ball??

i know this is long but i felt i needed to write it, just recapping in my own mind...

any help would be great

cheers

Tom
 
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would anyone mind giving me a quick lesson on how the photons conserve the angle of reflection... as far as i can tell it wasnt answered here. (maybe i missed it)

The answer is in the reference, Fynmans QED. The short is answer is: They Don't.
 
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tozhan said:
would anyone mind giving me a quick lesson on how the photons conserve the angle of reflection... as far as i can tell it wasnt answered here. (maybe i missed it)

The result comes directly from matching boundary conditions on the incident and reflected waves.

For plane waves, let the incident E-field be :
[tex]\mathbf{E_1} = \mathbf{E_1^0}e^{i(\mathbf{k_1.r} - \omega t)}[/tex]

And the reflected wave be :
[tex]\mathbf{E_2} = \mathbf{E_2^0}e^{i(\mathbf{k_2.r} - \omega t)}[/tex]

For the two to have the same phase at the interface, we need :
[tex](\mathbf{k_1.r})_{z=0}= (\mathbf{k_2.r})_{z=0}[/tex]

But since [tex]|\mathbf{k_1}| = \omega \sqrt{\mu \epsilon}= |\mathbf{k_2}|[/tex]

We must have [tex]cos(\frac{\pi}{2} - \theta _1) = cos(\frac{\pi}{2} - \theta _2)[/tex]

Or, [tex]\theta _1 = \theta _2[/tex]

To get Snell's Law for Refraction, just use the definition of the refractive index, given by
[tex]n = \sqrt{\frac{\mu \epsilon}{\mu _0 \epsilon _0}}[/tex]
 

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