Why do orthogonal matrices have a specific number of independent parameters?

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The discussion centers on the number of independent parameters in orthogonal and unitary matrices, specifically exploring the reasoning behind the formula for orthogonal matrices having n(n-1)/2 independent parameters and the difference in the number of parameters for unitary matrices.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of n(n-1)/2 independent parameters for orthogonal matrices and seeks clarification using specific mathematical expressions.
  • Another participant suggests that orthogonal matrices can be expressed as products of basic rotation matrices, which fix n-2 basis vectors and rotate the remaining two, leading to the conclusion that there are n(n-1)/2 ways to choose pairs of vectors to rotate.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the definition of 'independent parameter' and suggests that the orthogonality condition could be used to demonstrate the number of parameters.
  • One participant proposes a method involving the mapping of square matrices to symmetric matrices to derive the dimension of the space of orthogonal matrices, suggesting that the same approach could apply to unitary matrices.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the concept of independent parameters and the mathematical derivations involved. There is no consensus on the definitions or the methods to demonstrate the claims, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the lack of a clear definition for 'independent parameter' in the source material, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The mathematical steps and assumptions involved in the proposed approaches remain unresolved.

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What does it mean to say that a n x n orthogonal matrix has n(n-1)/2 independent parameters? And why is this so? Can this be shown using the equation the summation with respect to i of the product aij(aik)= bjk

where j,k=1,2,3.

And bjk has the property bjk=1 when j=k
bjk=0 when j doesn't equal k



And with this being said, why does n x n unitary matrix have n^2-1 independent parameters. Can someone help clear some stuff up?
 
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I can't explain the unitary bit, but for the orthogonal one:

Any orthogonal matrix can be written as a product of basic (my terminology, not standard) rotation matrices (plus some reflection, but let's not worry about that here) with respect to the standard basis

What are these? Well, what is a basic rotation: it fixes n-2 basis vectors and rotates the two remaining ones by some angle, theta. How many ways are there to pick 2 from n? n(n-1)/2



why are there more for unitary ones? Well, each entry has a real and an imaginary part, but I'm not going to attempt a more detailed explanation cos i'll muck it up.

That's a start anyway, but I'd need to know what your book defined 'independent parameter' as.
 
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See the thing is, my crummy book never defined independent parameter. What you said makes sense to me, but I think this can be shown using the orthogonality condition.
 
well let's try using the orthogonality condition. Consider the space of all square nxn matrices and map it into itself by the map taking A to A.Atranspose.

I suppose an orthogonal; matrix is one whose inverse equals its transpose, right? So they would be the matrices which map to the identity by this map. Now the image of this map seems to equal all symmetric matrices, which do have dimension (1/2)(n)(n+1). So the domain space has dimension n^2 hence the fiber over one point would be expected to have dimension n^2 - (1/2)(n)n+1) = (1/2)(n-1)(n).

This same approach should do the unitary case too.
 

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