Is Light Massless? Understanding the Nature of Photons

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light and photons, specifically addressing whether light has mass. Participants explore concepts related to mass, energy, and momentum in the context of light's behavior in different mediums.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether light is massless or if it has mass, with one suggesting a rephrasing of the question to "Does light have mass?"
  • One participant asserts that light has momentum but not mass, indicating a distinction between the two concepts.
  • Another participant introduces the relationship between relativistic and inertial mass, suggesting that particles traveling at the speed of light cannot have inertial mass to avoid infinite mass implications.
  • Contrarily, a participant argues that since photons have energy (E=mc²), they must have mass, questioning how photons can possess momentum without mass.
  • One participant presents the equation E=pc for photons, referencing quantum mechanics and the relationship between momentum and wavelength.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of E=mc², clarifying that it describes the maximum potential energy of mass and does not imply that energy itself has mass.
  • There is mention of the behavior of photons in different mediums, with uncertainty expressed about whether photons slow down due to absorption and re-emission by electrons or if they always travel at the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether photons have mass, with some asserting they do not, while others argue that energy implies mass. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of mass definitions, the relationship between energy and mass, and the behavior of photons in various contexts, indicating that assumptions about mass and energy may vary based on definitions used.

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Does light is massless ?
 
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Light has momentum, not mass.
 
Maybe, you know the relationship between relativistic and inertial mass, that is:

[tex]M_{rel} = \gamma M_{inertial}[/tex], where [tex]\gamma[/tex] is:

[tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2} }}[/tex]

You should see here that as [tex]v \rightarrow c[/tex], [tex]\gamma \rightarrow \infty[/tex]

So, to avoid the concept of infinite mass, we must cheat here. We say that any kind of particle which speed is c, can not have inertial mass.
 
yeah, but a photon has energy. And energy is mass (E=mc2). So a photon traveling at c, has mass.
And how can a photon have a momentum without mass??
 
A photon has energy E=pc.
Generally, E 2 =(mc2)2+(pc)2.

You may recall from QM that [tex]p=h/\lambda[/tex].
 
[tex]E = m c^2[/tex] is used to explain the maximum potential engery of a chunk of mass. For example if the mass where annihilated and converted into energy. It's not meant to imply that engery has mass.

Photons only travel at the speed of light in a vacuum. They slow down when traveling through lenses or prisms for example, at least at the macro level. At the atomic level, I'm not sure if photons bounce off electrons, or if they're absorbed and then re-emitted by electrons. If they're absorbed and re-emitted, then maybe they alway travel at the speed of light and it's the absortion and re-emission process that slows the effective speed down.
 

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