Why is the acceleration due to gravity the same for all objects?

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The discussion centers around the question of why the acceleration due to gravity is the same for all objects, regardless of their mass. Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects of gravitational acceleration, including its implications and underlying principles.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the independence of gravitational acceleration from mass, questioning why a hammer and a house would not fall at different rates due to their differing masses.
  • Another participant references the gravitational force formula, suggesting that while the masses of the objects are significant, their effect is negligible compared to the mass of the Earth, leading to the conclusion that gravitational acceleration is effectively constant.
  • A third participant notes that while larger objects experience greater gravitational force, they also have greater mass, which resists acceleration, resulting in the same acceleration for both small and large objects.
  • Further elaboration includes the idea that the acceleration of the Earth towards the objects can be ignored due to its large mass, but it is acknowledged that this could be calculated in specific scenarios involving significant mass differences.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented where two objects of different masses are considered, discussing how their respective accelerations towards the Earth would differ, but ultimately leading to the conclusion that the more massive object would collide with the Earth first.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are varying interpretations of how gravitational acceleration operates in relation to mass. Some agree on the principle that acceleration is the same, while others introduce conditions and nuances that complicate this understanding.

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Participants mention the influence of the Earth's mass and the potential for measurable differences in acceleration under specific conditions, indicating that assumptions about mass and distance may affect the discussion.

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i'm sure for you veterans of the physical sciences you'll have no troubles with my answer .. i digress.

i don't fully understand the concept that gravity (on Earth as it may be) is independent fully of mass. would not the mass of the object (say a hammer VS. a house), if gravity is the force of attraction between some two objects (the Earth and the hammer/house), have an effect? should not the house and hammer be pulled to the Earth at different accelerations?

if not (so says my physics text), is it because both their masses are just negligible as compared to the earth's?

i hope i posed my question in a clear manner. if not, i'll eagerly rephrase.

thanks guys.
 
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Can't say I know the answer with any certainty, but I think you are on the right track. The general formula is:
[tex]F_{g}=G\frac{m_{1}m_{2}}{r^{2}}[/tex]
As you can see, the masses of both objects are significant. I believe you are correct in saying that the mass of an object on Earth is so insignificant compared to the mass of the Earth that motion on Earth's surface is governed by [itex]F_{g}=mg[/itex].

Good question. I may be incorrect so, fellow forum goers, please verify this.
 
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The house and the hammer are each accelerated at the same rate for precisely the reason the force of gravity on the house is so much greater - it has much greater mass! It is harder to accelerate a more massive object. The astonishing aspect is that inertial mass and gravitational mass appear to be one and the same!
 
The simplified theory is that gravitational acceleration is the same for both objects regardless of size. There's more force, but also more mass to resist the acceleration of the larger force. [tex]F = m a[/tex] and this can be restated as [tex]a = F / m[/tex]. In the case of gravity, [tex]F[/tex] is proportional to [tex]m[/tex], so [tex]a[/tex] remains constant.

However, this doesn't take into account that the Earth is also being accelerated toward the objects. In the case where the Earth has a huge mass compared to the objects being accelerated this fact can be ignored, as the difference is probably unmeasurable (but could be calculated).

Say you have something with 1/4 mass of the Earth on one side of the earth, and something with the mass of a pool ball on the other side, both a few thousand miles away from the earth. Both the moon like object and the pool ball object are accelerated towards the Earth at say [tex]X m/s^2[/tex]. The Earth is being accelerated towards the moon like object at [tex]1/4 X m/s^2[/tex], and the pool ball is being accelerated towards the moon like object at [tex]1/16 X m/s^2[/tex]. The pool ball's mass is so small that it's pull on the Earth and moon like object can be ignored. The moon like object and Earth accelerate towards each other at [tex](1+1/4) X m/s^2[/tex], while the Earth and pool ball acclerate towards each other at [tex](1+1/16) X m/s^2[/tex] Bottom line is that the moon like object and Earth collide before the pool ball and Earth collide.

So to be technically correct, the more massive object collides first, because it accelerates the Earth towards itself more than the less massive object. It's also possible if the two objects are large or close enough that they collide with each other first, before colliding with the earth.
 
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