Classical uncertainty principles

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The discussion focuses on deriving the second uncertainty principle, \(\Delta \omega \Delta t \sim 1\), from the first uncertainty principle, \(\Delta x \Delta k \sim 1\). The user successfully connects the two principles by expressing \(\Delta x\) in terms of velocity \(V\) and time \(\Delta t\), leading to the formulation \(V \Delta t \Delta k \sim 1\). The relationship \(V_{\text{group}} = \frac{\Delta \omega}{\Delta k}\) is confirmed as valid, reinforcing the application of uncertainty principles in wave packet analysis.

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Please check my work.

Using the first uncertainty principle:

[tex] \Delta x \Delta k \sim 1[/tex]

derive the second uncertainty principle:

[tex] \Delta \omega \Delta t \sim 1[/tex]


My work:

[tex] \Delta x \Delta k \sim 1[/tex]

[tex] \frac {\Delta x} {\Delta t} = V \Rightarrow \Delta x = V \Delta t[/tex]

[tex] V \Delta t \Delta k \sim 1[/tex]

[tex] V_\textrm {group} = \frac {\Delta \omega} {\Delta k}[/tex]

[tex] \frac {\Delta \omega} {\Delta k} \Delta t \Delta k \sim 1[/tex]

[tex] \frac {\Delta k} {\Delta k} \Delta \omega \Delta t \sim 1[/tex]

[tex] \Delta \omega \Delta t \sim 1[/tex]

What do you think?
 
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Looks good to me. Right on man. What were you uncertain about when you wrote this?
 
Ed Quanta said:
Looks good to me. Right on man. What were you uncertain about when you wrote this?


I wasn't sure if my use of

[tex]V_\textrm {group} = \frac {\Delta \omega} {\Delta k}[/tex]

was legal. But then I realized that the uncertainty principles are used for wave packets so it was fine.
 

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