Does alcohol play a role in starting wars?

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The discussion explores the potential role of alcohol in influencing historical events, particularly in the context of leadership decisions and warfare. Participants reflect on personal experiences and historical examples, considering both the positive and negative impacts of alcohol consumption on decision-making and behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that alcohol may impair judgment and lead to aggressive behavior, questioning how this could affect leaders' decisions in wartime.
  • Others propose that the amount of alcohol consumed is crucial, with some leaders possibly not drinking enough to reach a beneficial state.
  • A participant mentions the influence of other substances, like benzadrine, on historical figures, indicating that alcohol might not be the only factor at play.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about how alcohol can enhance confidence and performance in specific situations, implying that it could have similar effects on larger historical events.
  • Another participant notes that some leaders, like Bush, have chosen to abstain from alcohol, suggesting a shift in behavior that could impact decision-making.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the influence of alcohol, with no consensus reached on its overall impact on historical events or leadership decisions. Some argue for its significance, while others question its role or suggest alternative substances may be more influential.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference personal experiences and historical anecdotes, but the discussion lacks empirical evidence or systematic analysis of alcohol's effects on decision-making in a historical context.

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Obviously not all wars come from drinking alcohol. But in this light, I have often wondered what contribution alcohol may have made to world history. How many world leaders have made world class decisions using alcohol laden brains? Consider the state that booze brings to the consumer - aggressive and one lacking good judgment. Does an intoxicated person consider the big picture?

Many leaders from history were heavy drinkers. How could this not be a significant factor in the big decisions?
 
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And as for the others, they don't drink enough. Whichever one it is, we all know that they aren't drinking exactly the right amount ...
 
That's if they weren't taking heavier stuff like benzadrine.
Is this inspired by the recent Discovery Europe documentary "Altered Statesmen"?
 
Originally posted by Sonty
That's if they weren't taking heavier stuff like benzadrine.
Is this inspired by the recent Discovery Europe documentary "Altered Statesmen"?

I first considered this after watching my behavior and the behavior of friends change when we drank [long ago]. However, that Hitler and his troops were taking methamphetamines explains a lot...what a revelation! I would bet that drugs and alcohol, but especially alcohol have played a great role in history.
 
Just in simple things alcohol has played a great factor.

An example, my early days of motorcycling. My dad was an average rider. Give him a shot or 4 of Jack Daniels and he was Jeremy McGrath.

Alcohol can be usefull, and really, as FZ said, they weren't taking the right amount.

A small amount to calm nerves can actually prove beneficial, especcially when nervousness is up.

So I'm sure if it affects little things in pretty much everyones lifes, it's also affected larger scaled things thru history.
 
Anyway, Bush at least is (now) a teetotaler.
 

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