Will Our Reliance on Hydrocarbons Lead to Another Ice Age?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential long-term geological and climatic impacts of human reliance on hydrocarbons, specifically whether the extraction and burning of fossil fuels could lead to a significant loss of kinetic energy in the Earth's core, potentially triggering another ice age in the distant future.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that the extraction of hydrocarbons could eventually lead to a loss of kinetic energy in the Earth's core, possibly resulting in another ice age over a timescale of 100,000 years.
  • Another participant argues against this idea, stating that the energy released from burning coal and other carbon fuels is due to carbon bonding with oxygen, and that subducted coal cannot contribute energy to the core because it is buried and lacks an oxygen source.
  • A follow-up question challenges the previous claim by asking about the existence of burning underground coal mines, suggesting that there may be conditions under which coal can still oxidize.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that carbon can oxidize in the presence of alternative oxidizers, such as potassium nitrate, and suggests that coal seams may be near oxide minerals, implying a potential risk.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the implications of burning hydrocarbons on the Earth's core and climate. Some participants challenge the assumptions made by others, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the geological processes involved and the conditions under which coal can oxidize, as well as the long-term implications of hydrocarbon reliance.

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I have a consern. If we are taking oil, coal, and other natural resources from the Earth that have a large chemical energy due to hydrocarbons, then 100,000 or more years from now when they are supposed to slide under the surface of the earth, will our core start to lose enough of it's kenetic energy to put us into another ice age?
 
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I don't think so, because the energy released when we burn coal and other carbon fuels is the result of the carbon bonding with oxygen. If you bury some burning coal under some dirt, you extinguish it buy eliminating its oxygen source. Coal that is subducted into the Earth's mantle is burried under a lot of dirt, and can't get any air at all, so I don't think the core gets energy from the burning of coal.
 
LURCH said:
I don't think so, because the energy released when we burn coal and other carbon fuels is the result of the carbon bonding with oxygen. If you bury some burning coal under some dirt, you extinguish it buy eliminating its oxygen source. Coal that is subducted into the Earth's mantle is burried under a lot of dirt, and can't get any air at all, so I don't think the core gets energy from the burning of coal.
Then why are there burning underground coal mines?
 
Carbon can oxidize if there's another source of oxygen, for example in black powder the oxidizer is potassium nitrate, KNO3. It is possible the coal seams are close to oxide minerals.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Carbon can oxidize if there's another source of oxygen, for example in black powder the oxidizer is potassium nitrate, KNO3. It is possible the coal seams are close to oxide minerals.
so then there is a conseivable risk correct?
 

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