Restricting Coefficients in a General Second Degree Equation

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The discussion revolves around the general second degree equation Ax^2 + Bxy + Cy^2 = 0, specifically focusing on the restrictions that can be placed on the coefficients A, B, and C to maintain the equality. The context involves conic sections and their properties in relation to the origin.

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  • Participants explore the implications of different values for A, B, and C, questioning how these affect the set of points satisfying the equation. There is a suggestion to consider the equation as a conic section and to think about its nature when coefficients are restricted.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the equation and its solutions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformation of the equation and the implications of treating it as a quadratic in one variable. However, there is no explicit consensus on the restrictions that can be applied to the coefficients.

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Participants note that the equation passes through the origin, which complicates the ability to restrict solutions to exclude x = 0 and y = 0. This aspect is central to the discussion as it influences the nature of the solutions and the coefficients.

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Given the general equation Ax^2 + Bxy + Cy^2 = 0, my question is what kind of restrictions can you put on A, B, and C such that the equality holds?
 
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The equation is that of a conic passing through the origin (you can see that x = 0, y = 0 is a solution). It is a quadratic in x and y and if you set a precondition that x and y are nonzero, you can get it as a quadratic in x/y or y/x. Don't do that though :-p
 
Khan86 said:
Given the general equation Ax^2 + Bxy + Cy^2 = 0, my question is what kind of restrictions can you put on A, B, and C such that the equality holds?

I'm not sure I understand the question. Whatever values of A, B and C you choose there will be a set of points in the xy plane that make the statement true. Restricting the coefficients to specific ranges will affect the nature of the set of points that make the statement true.
 
Tide is correct. The most you can do is to think of it as a conic passing through the origin. The general equation of the second degree is

[tex]A'x^2 + 2H'xy + B'y^2 + 2G'x + 2F'y + C = 0[/tex]

is easily transformed into yours using

[tex]A' = A[/tex]
[tex]H' = B/2[/tex]
[tex]G' = 0[/tex]
[tex]F' = 0[/tex]
[tex]C = 0[/tex]

Since it passes through the origin **which is a glaring solution by the way for the simple reason that it is most obvious** we cannot possibly restrict the solution set to exclude x = 0, y = 0. Given that, if you now treat the equation SOLELY as a quadratic in x (or in y) you can get x as a function of y (or y as a function of x). You may be able to say something about the nonegative nature of the discriminant of the equation, but there is nothing much that can be extracted about the coefficients from it.

Cheers
Vivek
 

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