# Calculating coefficient of static friction without a mass.

by Gheret
Tags: curves, force, friction, without mass
 P: 11 1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data A car is travelling at 30m/s around a bend of radius 70m. What coefficient of static friction between the tires and the road is required to ensure the car will not slip? 2. Relevant equations 3. The attempt at a solution I know that the centripetal acceleration is a=30^2/70 and I know that this acceleration has to be canceled out by the frictional force for the car to not slip, but I am not sure out to calculate frictional force F=mA without a mass for the car.
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 Quote by Gheret but I am not sure out to calculate frictional force F=mA without a mass for the car.
Maybe you don't need the actual mass. Try calling the mass 'm' and see what happens.

(Tip: Solve things symbolically as much as possible. Only use the calculator at the end.)
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 Quote by Doc Al Maybe you don't need the actual mass. Try calling the mass 'm' and see what happens. (Tip: Solve things symbolically as much as possible. Only use the calculator at the end.)
I'm guessing that since mass will not change and the two forces have to be equal the m will cancel out but I still do not know how to calculate the acceleration into newtons for this situation.

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Calculating coefficient of static friction without a mass.

 Quote by Gheret I'm guessing that since mass will not change and the two forces have to be equal the m will cancel out
You're right. But no need to guess: Try it and see!
 but I still do not know how to calculate the acceleration into newtons for this situation.
I assume that you mean you cannot calculate the force in Newtons. True, without the mass, you cannot calculate the force. So what? You can figure out the coefficient of friction, which is all you need.
 P: 11 I'm sorry but I am totally lost now.. What I have done so far: F(r)=mv^2/r=F(fr) F(r) being centripetal force and F(fr) being frictional force. But I do not know the equation for calculating coefficient of static friction. Thanks for helping me out.
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 Quote by Gheret But I do not know the equation for calculating coefficient of static friction.
How does the maximum static friction force relate to the normal force between surfaces?
 P: 11 Oh I was completely ignoring normal force! F=u(9.8m/s^-2)m mv^2/r=u(9.8m/s^-2)m (30)^2/70=u(9.8) Right?
 Mentor P: 41,475 Right! (This assumes that the road is flat--no banking angle.)
 P: 11 You have been the best help. Thank you for not just telling me the answer cause now I have actually learnt how to solve these for myself. Thank you!

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