Derivative of x^n: Using First Principles and Breaking it Down

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function x^(1/3) using first principles. Participants explore the challenge of applying the derivative rule for non-integer exponents and the constraints of the problem setup.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's attempt to break down (x+h)^(1/3) and question the validity of their approach. Some suggest that the goal is to prove the derivative rule for non-integer values, while others clarify the need to adhere to first principles without using known derivative rules.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some have offered alternative methods for considering the derivative, while others express confusion about the requirements of the task. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants note that the problem must be solved using first principles, without relying on known derivatives of logarithmic or exponential functions. This constraint adds complexity to the discussion.

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x^(1/3)

The only way I have for this on this is to show that the derivative of x^n equals Nx^(n-1).

I can't think of a way to do it in first principles.

If I can just break up (x+h)^1/3, I'm good.

If you break that up, you get...

[tex]x^\frac{1}{3} + 1/3x^\frac{2}{9}h^\frac{1}{9} + 1/3x^\frac{1}{9}h^ \frac{2}{9}+ h^\frac{1}{3}[/tex]

It's probably wrong, but that is all I can think of.

Any pointers would help.
 
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You're just trying to get the derviative of [itex]x^{1/3}[/itex]

You have the procedure written down correctly in the second line then you went way overboard after that.

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}x^n=nx^{n-1}[/tex]
where n is a constant

Replace n with 1/3--that's all there is to it.

Is your question written correctly?
 
I don't think he's trying to calculate the derivative. He's trying to prove that the rule works even when n is not an integer (specifically when n=1/3).

Jason, are you allowed to use what you know about how to take the deriviate of exponentials, logarithms and composite functions? If you are, I suggest that you use

[tex]x^{\frac{1}{3}}=e^{\frac{1}{3}\ln x}[/tex]
 
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Actually know we can not do that.

This must be used doing first principles. I know how to find derivatives.

We must use h approaches 0 or x approaches a.

That is why I wrote (x+h)^1/3, which is from the h approaches 0 method.

Obviously we have (x+h)^1/3-x^1/3 for the numerator. That is why I broke it up in the first post, so I can get rid of the h in the numerator, but since I can't do that because (h^1/3)/h = 1/h^2/3, according to exponent laws. This is where I am stuck.

If I had an exam right now, I would have to do the x^n -> Nx^(n-1) method, but that is not practical nor what they are asking for.

Any tips are appreciated.

Note: We must assume we don't "know" the derivative of ln x in this case.
 
So I guess I'm not the only who is stuck.
 
I remember a thread here at PF recently:
Set:
[tex]a=(x+h)^{\frac{1}{3}},b=x^{\frac{1}{3}}[/tex]
Then, for the derivative:
[tex]\frac{a-b}{h}=\frac{(a-b)(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})h}=[/tex]
[tex]\frac{a^{3}-b^{3}}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})h}=\frac{h}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})h}=[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})}\to\frac{1}{3x^{\frac{2}{3}}} (h\to{0})[/tex]
 
You're my hero! :blushing:

Thanks!

Gave me a whole new perspective on how to do this.
 

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