Help Mike Find Velocity of Ball Down Incline - ME Dynamics Problem

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a ball rolling down an incline, specifically focusing on finding the velocity of the ball at the end of the incline. Participants express challenges related to the problem's complexity, including the presence of multiple variables and insufficient equations to solve it. The context includes mechanics principles and the application of Newton's laws, with a request to avoid differential equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mike describes the problem and expresses frustration over the difficulty faced by the class, noting that their professor is unable to solve it.
  • One participant questions whether friction is a factor in the problem and asks for clarification on the specific difficulties encountered.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be complications not evident in the drawing and requests a clearer statement of the problem along with the work done so far.
  • A later post provides a specific problem statement involving marbles rolling off a chute and discusses the need to calculate acceleration to find the velocity, while also noting the challenge of having three variables and only two equations.
  • One participant advises considering the motion parallel to the incline and suggests using Newton's second law to find the acceleration, while humorously questioning the professor's ability to solve the problem.

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Participants express varying levels of confusion and frustration regarding the problem, with no consensus on how to resolve the issues presented. Multiple competing views on the approach to the problem remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the absence of friction in their calculations and the challenge of having more variables than equations, which complicates the problem-solving process. There is also a reference to the specific problem statement from a textbook, indicating a reliance on the definitions and context provided therein.

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I was wondering if anyone could help me out with this problem. Using the drawing attached, I have to find the velocity of the ball at the end of the incline, where the ball starts from rest. This isn't the whole problem, but this is what is giving the entire class (M.E. Dynamics) a major headache. Our professor can't even solve it. We keep finding more variables than equations. If possible, do it without DiffEqu.

Also, if you're interested, this problem is part of the project in R.C. Hibbeler's Engineering Mechanics: Dynamics (10th ed.) on page 94.

I appreciate any help you can give me.
Thanks,
Mike
 

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Is there friction in this problem?
Also,
Where is the specific difficulty?
 
ChaosTheory said:
Using the drawing attached, I have to find the velocity of the ball at the end of the incline, where the ball starts from rest. This isn't the whole problem, but this is what is giving the entire class (M.E. Dynamics) a major headache. Our professor can't even solve it.
A ball rolling down an incline and your professor can't solve it?? You must be leaving out some complication not obvious in the drawing. :smile:

State the problem exactly as given, and show us the work you've done on it.
 
This is what the problem says:
"Marbles roll of the production chute at 0.5 ft/s. Determine the range for the angle 0<=theta<=30 degrees for a selected position s for the placement of the hopper relative to the end of the chute." Refer to Fig 2

Because we're not sure how long the chute must be for 0.5ft/s (we calculated something very small, and changes with theta), our Professor just wants us to provide (x) along the chute, and (s) to get into the hopper within a range of Thetas.
We first need to calculate the acceleration to find the velocity at the end of the chute. We are ignoring friction.

Fy = m(a)y
Ncos() - w = m(a)y

Fx = m(a)x
Nsin() = m(a)x

The problem is there are 3 variables (N, ax, ay) and two equations. And yes, our Professor (first year teaching a lecture) cannot solve it.

I appologize for not knowing how to use the boards language for equations.
 

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ChaosTheory said:
We first need to calculate the acceleration to find the velocity at the end of the chute. We are ignoring friction.



The problem is there are 3 variables (N, ax, ay) and two equations. And yes, our Professor (first year teaching a lecture) cannot solve it.
Consider the motion parallel to the plane. The only force on the marble is gravity. What's the component of the weight down the plane? Use Newton's 2nd law to find the acceleration.

PS: Your Professor must be pulling your leg!
 

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