Equation Help: Find the Values of a & b in (x+a)² + b = x² - 6x + 13

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The discussion revolves around finding the values of the variables a and b in the equation (x+a)² + b = x² - 6x + 13. Participants explore the algebraic manipulation of polynomials to equate coefficients, addressing the confusion arising from multiple unknowns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the three unknowns in the equation and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests expanding (x+a)² and equating coefficients of the resulting polynomial to those on the right side of the equation.
  • A participant provides an expanded form of the equation, indicating that the x² terms cancel out, leading to a new equation involving a², 2a, and b.
  • Further manipulation leads to a participant rewriting the equation to isolate terms involving a and b, prompting a question about filling in the coefficients.
  • Another participant proposes a new form of the equation, asserting that it must hold for all values of x, leading to two equations: one involving b and another involving a.
  • One participant calculates a value for a as -3 and attempts to derive b, but another participant questions the correctness of this value.
  • A later reply corrects the calculation for b, arriving at a different value after re-evaluating the expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the values of a and b, as there are conflicting calculations and interpretations of the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved steps in the algebraic manipulation, particularly in deriving the correct values for a and b, and some assumptions about the coefficients may not be fully articulated.

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If (x + a)² + b = x² - 6x + 13
find the values of a and b

there are 3 unknowns and this confuses me... please help
 
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You have a polynomial on the left hand side and a polynomial on the right hand side. Two polynomials are equal if and only if their coefficients match.

eg.if [tex]2x^2-3x+4=ax^2+bx+c[/tex] then we must have [tex]a=2,b=-3,c=4[/tex]

For your question, try expanding the [tex](x+a)^2[/tex] part and equating coefficients.
 
x² + 2ax + a² + b = x² - 6x + 13
the x² cancel out
a² + 2ax + b = 13 - 6x

then I get stuck
 
zandra_z said:
x² + 2ax + a² + b = x² - 6x + 13
the x² cancel out
a² + 2ax + b = 13 - 6x

then I get stuck

Collect like terms (according to power of "x"). Your equation becomes:

[tex](2a)x+(a^2+b)=-6x+13[/tex]

Switching the order of the left hand side was just to make things match up nicer. Remember what I said about the coefficients of equal polynomials.

[tex]2a=??[/tex]
[tex]a^2+b=??[/tex]

Can you fill in the ??
 
Write your last equation as:
(2a+6)x=13-a^2-b
Since this equation shall hold for ALL choices of x, in particular it must hold for x=0
which means you get the equations:
0=13-a^2-b
And:
2a+6=0
 
so:
a=-3
and:
0=16^2-b
b=2
 
How do you get that flawed b-value?
 
I see, I did:
16^(2-b)
I should do:
13-(3^2)-b
b=4
 

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